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Author: Kaos
Date: 2020-02-22 14:30
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In January as a gift for my birthday I received a 1989 Buffet E10 in great condition fully serviced. Afterwards I won a competition and got a Grenadilla Backun Moba barrel and Moba bell (with voicing). The barrel fits perfectly, also the bell fits perfectly in width but the lower tenon of my E10 seems too long and the bell sticks out a bit (see the attached pics). The barrel + bell combo sounds great and I don't think it affects the sound. I really like the improvements that Moba bell and barrel give to my clarinet and would like to use them, I'm a young conservatory student so by no means I could afford such expensive equipment. I won't see my teacher before Thursday so I would like to ask you if it's ok, even if it's not nice to see, or I would need to get the tenon shortened. I tried the bell on my old Yamaha 26II and it fits perfectly.
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Author: Ken Lagace
Date: 2020-02-22 16:24
Maybe not a good idea. If the pitch is great on the 'long' notes now, it will be changed after shortening the bell. OK to wait for your teacher's opinion. If the looks bothers you, go to a plumbing department and get a black 'O' ring the proper side and slip it on the tenon.
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2020-02-23 01:00
Maybe you could cut an appropriately-sized piece of black plastic pipe or similar to make a little ring to go there to take up space. Similar to a headset spacer on a bike, though I doubt an actual bicycle headset spacer would be the right inner or outer diameter.
If you like the sound of the bell as it is and it comes on and off when you want it to (and never when you don't!), I wouldn't modify either the bell or the instrument, since this seems cosmetic.
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Author: Kaos
Date: 2020-02-23 02:38
Thank you for your comments, let's see what my teacher will say. For now I keep it at it is, since it seals perfectly and it comes off without problems, it's just a matter of length of my clarinet's tenon. A friend of mine agreed to not touch the tenons because they may ruin the instrument (and nullify every resell value, since one day I'll sell it to buy a RC or pro horn) and maybe get a ring or something like you said, if the aestethics of the gap bothers me.
I wonder why Buffet in 1989 made the lower piece tenon so long on my E10, it can only fit its original bell that's longer than a normal bell. I can't tell for sure because I'm too young, but I think that back in the 80's there was no standard size for bells.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2020-02-23 03:25
The important point is that it's in tune with bell pushed in as far as it will now go. If you shorten the tenon, you will either push it in farther (making the long B sharper) or you will leave it out a little anyway to keep the tuning where it is. If you still need to keep it pulled out, it will look the same as it does now, except there will be less tenon inside the socket.
The only really good reason to shorten the tenon is if long B and possibly C are currently flat.
Karl
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2020-02-24 03:06
The E10 was made by Schreiber and not by Buffet, hence the different tenon lengths and why a bell designed specifically for Buffets won't fit it.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: donald
Date: 2020-02-24 13:56
I know principal clarinet player in a prominent French Orchestra who plays his Buffet A clarinet with a Leblanc Concerto (B flat) bell. If it works, use it!
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Author: Kaos
Date: 2020-02-24 18:11
Thank you Chris P, I didn't know about the Schreiber thing... since on the case, clarinet upper piece and on the original bell there is the Buffet Crampon logo. Also came with a metal ligature and mouthpiece cover with Buffet Crampon France engraved. The name "Schreiber" and "made in Germany" are not mentioned in any place. The serial number is also a regular Buffet one.
What really surprises me is that the Backun Moba bell perfectly fits my 1984's Yamaha 26II I was playing before. I tried to search on Google about compatibility problems with Backun equipments but they only talked about tenon's diameter problems (mostly with Selmer and some Yamaha models) which is not my case, as I got the Buffet diameter size ones and the fit is just perfect. Of course I can't complain to the Backun, not only because it was a gift, but because I assume it's my clarinet being weird made. Probably I'm the only one that in 2020 thought about using Backun accessories on a 1989's E10.
Anyway I checked with the tuner, when the clarinet is cold the long B and C are just a little flat. When it gets warmer they are in tune. The throat notes are a little sharp but much less than before. With the standard barrel and bell, when the clarinet started to get warm, it used to play so sharp that I had to pull out the barrel a lot.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2020-02-24 22:33
Even though the E10 doesn't mention Schreiber or have 'Made in W.Germany/Germany' on it (which they didn't have when sold in the UK and Europe), it also won't have 'Made in France' stamped under the Buffet logos on the instrument which is only seen on French-built Buffet clarinets from the E13 upwards.
The E10 was the model between the plastic bodied B12 and the wooden bodied E11 as it's in essence an E11 with a plastic barrel and bell. They do have a six figure serial number, but it's a Schreiber serial number and bears no relation to Buffet serial numbers.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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