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 Top joint tenon too long???
Author: clarimad 
Date:   2019-12-06 12:09

I recently parted company with a Selmer 9 series clarinet. The buyer maintains his technician is adamant the tenon that the barrel joins is too long and that it will require him to shorten it.

I find this somewhat absurd and even more crazy given it has a brass socket ring on the tenon.

I would appreciate comments on this.



Post Edited (2019-12-06 12:10)

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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2019-12-06 16:25

Selmer Series 9 top joint upper tenons are approximately 19mm long.

By comparison, Buffet ones are around 18.5mm long.

Chris.

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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: jdbassplayer 
Date:   2019-12-06 16:55

Probably not the original barrel. You may be on the hook for this one unfortunately.

-Jdbassplayer

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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2019-12-06 17:56

Never mind that the barrel doesn't go all the way down on the tenon. What matters is whether or not the instrument is in tune or, better, slightly sharp when the barrel is in. Taking the last two posts together, it may be an aftermarket barrel made for an instrument with a shorter tenon. But if the clarinet is in tune as things are, all that will be accomplished in shortening the tenon is that it will be sharp and the barrel will have to be pulled the extra millimeter anyway (which will look just like it does now).

Ask the buyer to check the tuning before having anything done to the tenon.

Karl

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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2019-12-06 18:00

Another thought, despite my thinking that the mismatch doesn't matter if the tuning is good - maybe Chris P or another tech here would react:

I wonder how comparatively easy it would be to lengthen (deepen) the barrel's socket by a millimeter. That would avoid removing the brass tenon end and (I'm only guessing) might be easily done on a lathe.

Karl

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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-12-06 18:41

I would side with the idea of modifying the depth of any new barrel (that needed it) to the tenon rather than the other way round. It may be a bit of research to find a tech with a proper reamer but it's worth it.......if tuning makes it necessary!






..............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2019-12-07 08:36

>> I wonder how comparatively easy it would be to lengthen (deepen) the barrel's socket <<

Entirely possible. The only "problem" is somewhat similar to what you mentioned in your previous post. If the barrel plays well when inserted all the way right now, it would have to be attached the same length after, which means it won't be leaning on either the socket bottom or the tenon step, which means it might be a bit less stable, especially with a possibly old and worn tenon/socket.

>> It may be a bit of research to find a tech with a proper reamer <<

This is not something that is done with a reamer.

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 Re: Top joint tenon too long???
Author: Steven Ocone 2017
Date:   2019-12-07 18:05

Making the socket deeper can be done on a lathe. I also have a special tool to do it. It has to be done whenever a barrel is shortened.

Steven Ocone
Ann & Steve's Music

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