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Author: jim sclater
Date: 2019-11-18 03:49
I'm interested to know if anyone on the BB has had experience with the L&K reform Boehm clarinets. I am considering the possibility of getting a set of them and would appreciate feedback from those who have owned one. Any information would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.
js
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2019-11-18 04:44
Nice horns. Maybe take a listen on youtube?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zlLrO28RTk
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: m1964
Date: 2019-11-18 08:31
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=397182&t=394932
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Author: YT
Date: 2019-11-18 10:44
I have one and I simply love it. It's just a great instrument, there's nothing more I could add...
EDIT
Okay, well maybe I go a little bit further into details...
I love it because of its sound, its outstanding intonation and last but not least because of the way it feels in my hands, the toneholes have pretty small distance to each other and the whole instrument isn't really heavy and the keywork is really ergonomic.
So, great sound, great intonation, great feel... Everything one could ask for I think :-)
Post Edited (2019-11-18 11:37)
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2019-11-18 14:08
My colleague has a pair that she wants to sell. She says that they tune better than her Wurlitzers but have a smaller sound.
Bob's video link gives the opposite impression. I find the sound quite nice but the intonation not so good (especially the consistently sharp C5). I'm guessing the girl playing is a student, so we should cut her some slack. But the typically sharp notes on German clarinets in this register clearly remain a challenge, even with these instruments.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2019-11-18 21:15
In the Netherlands, Boehm-reformed players that used to play Wurlitzer have switched to L and K. A few have told me that the L and K are easier to play in tune, but have a tone that is less beautiful than the Wurlitzer's. Liquorice: if ever you come to Paris, do try our JL clarinets.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: YT
Date: 2019-11-18 23:42
I own clarinets by Leitner und Kraus and I own a set of Wurlitzer clarinets. Indeed, the Leitner und Kraus clarinets are better in tune, and maybe the Wurlitzer clarinets sound somewhat darker or mellower, don't know how to describe it. But in fact I like the sound of my Leitner und Kraus clarinets even more. If you think about it, the sound which might at first sight seem thinner could also be described as more focused or more ping than the sound of the Wurlitzers, and I like that. But of course, this is very subjective.
I hope that is understandable... English is not my first language obviously...
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2019-11-19 00:04
Do you folks on the Reform-Boehm clarinets use German mouthpieces (Wurlitzer M3+ for example), Boehm mouthpieces (Vandoren etc.) or something in between (mouthpiece specific to Reform-Boehm)?
............Paul Aviles
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Author: rtaylor
Date: 2019-11-19 00:24
I've been using a nice set of the V420 model since 2017. Not much more to add to what has already been said. Your choice of a mouthpiece can really affect whether you experience a "thin" sound or not. I played on Wurlitzers for 15 years prior. The Wurlitzers do have a different sound but I wouldn't say it is inferior to the L&K. Over all they are great instruments. The intonation alone along is worth the cost of them.
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Author: YT
Date: 2019-11-19 12:57
Hi Paul
I use something in between, as usual nowadays also for German clarinets: a French facing on a German blank with German bore, to be specific it's called "LZ", a mouthpiece by Leitner und Kraus. I use the very same mouthpiece also on my German clarinets.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2019-11-19 17:14
YT and others: I would add that the people a Leitner und Krauss are abolutely delightful. It's a father and son concern. A helpful, honest family concern.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: YT
Date: 2019-11-19 19:53
Absolutely! The service there is great.
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Author: rtaylor
Date: 2019-11-20 21:00
Hi YT.
I also use the LZ mouthpiece from Leitner & Kraus. What reeds do you find to be a good match for that mouthpiece?
Cheers,
Robert
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Author: YT
Date: 2019-11-20 22:03
Hi Robert
Nice to hear that! I use Vandoren V12, mostly strength 3, rarely 3,5, but never experimented much to be honest. I tried V21 one time because I liked them on my Leitner und Kraus B2, but they didn't work too well. What do you use?
Yannick
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Author: rtaylor
Date: 2019-11-20 22:50
Hi Yannick,
I was using Vandoren V12 #3 also. Leitner & Kraus has a working partnership with AW Reeds in Nuremberg. So I thought maybe their mouthpieces might be well suited for that brand.I have been currently using the AW Reed Model 302 #3 with a lot of good results.
I also found that the LZ model was originally developed with Lars Zolling from the Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz München Orchester. That's where the LZ comes from. They had intended that this model be used with synthetic reeds. I tried them, both european cut, german and signature Legeres. I didn't think it was a good combination. Cane seems to work best for me.
Cheers,
Robert
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Author: YT
Date: 2019-11-21 01:50
Hi Robert
Yeah, they told me the same with Legere reeds... I found cane much better also, so much better I forgot to mention my short experiment with Legeres haha.
It's indeed the best combination of Legere Reed and mouthpiece I ever tried, but I didn't try to many combinations and I think the whole "plastic reed thing" is not for me, to be honest...
Thanks for the tip with AW Reeds! I'll give them a try.
Yannick
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Author: JEG ★2017
Date: 2019-11-24 22:30
First of all, I must admit to being ignorant of Reform Boehm clarinets. My newest standard Boehm clarinet I bought new 40 years ago.
I'd just like to comment on the quality of playing here and not the instrument itself. The clarinetist and the harpist play beautifully together displaying a great respect for the music and each other. Very inspiring!
My suspicion is that, had she been playing standard Boehm, German system, etc., she would have sounded just as good.
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Author: jim sclater
Date: 2019-11-25 17:31
JEG,
I think you are correct in what you say. So much depends on the mouthpiece/reed combination and the physical make-up of the player. I'm not sure I could tell the difference when the same player played on a Boehm, Reform-Boehm or Oehler system.
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