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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2001-06-27 05:34
How on earth does one manage the impossible tremolos, one meas. before 34 through 35? All in the staff,
Gb up to Bb
Ab up to Db
G up to C
Bb up to Db
Ab up to Cb
It's the first cl. part.
:P
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Author: Fred
Date: 2001-06-27 06:05
The answer to your question is .......... very carefully!!!!!
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-06-27 13:00
Suzanne wrote:
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> How on earth does one manage the impossible tremolos, one
> meas. before 34 through 35? All in the staff,
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> Gb up to Bb
Play Gb as first finger of left hand and Bb as A key plus register key. *Roll* the first finger from the hole to the A key.
> Ab up to Db
Keep the fingers of the right hand down on the holes and keys throughout. Use a rolling action with the left hand to get to the Ab lever.
> G up to C
Keep the fingers of the right hand down throughout.
> Bb up to Db
Keep the fingers of the right hand down throughout. Use rolling action with the left hand. Bb must be A key plus register key.
> Ab up to Cb
Keep the fingers of the right hand down throughout. Use rolling action with the left hand.
On all of these, practice a lot slowly until smooth. Then gradually speed up.
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Author: Lee
Date: 2001-06-27 15:59
When my orchestra played the piece my teacher told me to play those same measures over and over again and very very slowly untill you have memorized.
Even though that sounds boring as hell it helped so much,and trust me I know what you are going through and all I can say is good luck
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2001-06-28 16:58
Here are a few alternatives to Dee's suggestions which you might find easier, though in some cases intonation and/or tone may suffer a little. They should work fine unless the part is exposed.
Gb to Bb
Jay Arnold has a suggestion to improve on Dee's solution here. Use your MIDDLE finger to close the top tone hole then tremolo with your index finger on the A key and thumb on the register key.
Ab to Db I can't improve on Dee's suggestion.
G to C
This is a tossup. An alternative to Dee's solution that works better for me but might not for everyone is to finger C using normal (register key) Bb in the left hand and the top two side trill keys in the right. The advantage to Dee's solution is that you don't have to coordinate two hands for the tremolo. The advantage to the alternative is you don't have to cross the "break" and you only need to tremolo three fingers instead of four (including the ring finger).
Bb to Db
In addition to the right hand fingers, also keep the middle and ring fingers of the left hand down and only tremolo with the thumb and first finger of the left hand. Roll the thumb and use the top knuckle of the left hand to get the A key. (This is probably what Dee meant by a rolling action.)
Ab to Cb
With a little practice, Dee's suggestion works, particularly if you lock down the Ab key with the second joint of your index finger. It is MUCH easier, however, to play Cb as left hand Ab right hand top trill key. In other words do the tremolo simply by adding the right hand top trill key to the Ab. The B may be a little stuffy but it should be OK for a fast tremolo.
I don't have a copy of this part and I've never played it. Does Strauss actually call for a C or D clarinet here by any chance?
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Author: al
Date: 2001-07-01 02:44
Suzanne:
R. Strauss NEVER worried about if things weren't playable on any instrument.
We get low F#s for violins, high written E for F horns, low Bb on piccolo,top Gs for 1st violins, low Bs for violas, low Cs for Bb trumpets.
Your question isn't about range but execution.
That's OK too.
If those are the chordal changes he wanted, he wrote them.
Result: He challanged the instrumentalist beyond his means........and we're all a lot better off for it.
Al Renino
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Author: Dr. Jacob Mathias
Date: 2002-06-18 03:58
I saw Beecham conduct this in 48 in London when Richard Strauss came to England. The clarinets were Brymer and Thurston and it was a great concert. later I would end up frustrating every fine teacher and england and stuck to medicine. I still play though only in concert band...my opportunity is fairly limited being 75!
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