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 Warped Legere reeds
Author: saxlite 
Date:   2019-05-24 21:25

Having problems with Legere clarinet and alto sax reeds warping at the tip- reeds are getting a wavy profile across the tip end. I have experienced this both with reeds that stay on the mouthpiece as well reeds that are stored in plastic reed holders. Has anybody else seen this? Is there a fix for these reeds?
Jerry

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: fernie121 
Date:   2019-05-24 21:27

I’m using the same Legere for a year now and have never seen this. Could be your tonguing technique. Other than that, I can’t imagine why a synthetic would warp like that.

Bb Clarinet: Ridenour G1, Mouthpiece: Vandoren BD5(Modified) Reeds: Legere Europeans Cut 3 3/4, Behn Aria 4, Ligature: Rovner MK iii, BD Duo

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: Ken Lagace 
Date:   2019-05-24 22:20

Heat might...

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2019-05-24 22:56

This usually happens with cane reeds when a used reed is first moistened until it becomes evenly wet. Like Ken and fernie21 I've never had it happen with Legere reeds, either. Is this consistent with all of your Legeres or only a couple or a few?

Are you dipping them in hot (I think Legere says somewhere, boiling) water to try to soften them because they're slightly too stiff? If so, maybe you're holding them in too long. I think Legere's suggestion is a second or two, although I can't find this on their website, which is where I think I saw it originally.

Do these wrinkled tips straighten out on their own with playing or with thumb pressure against a flat surface (as cane reeds do)? If not, what happens if you dip one in boiling or very hot water for a second or two. Does it straighten out?

Not having had the problem with a number of Legere clarinet and sax reeds over the past few years, I can't think of anything else.

Karl

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-05-24 23:26

I'm curious about the designation "reeds that stay on the mouthpiece." I might let a reed stay on during a day once I set it in position in the morning, however, it comes off at the end of the day and the next one of four (or five) go back on the next day.


Perhaps if there is a prolonged period of days you leave a reed on the mouthpieces, there is something happening regarding being exposed to heat (such as being in direct sunlight coming through a window........or something).


The only "warp" I experienced was an errant hand gesture across the mouthpiece while the clarinet sat on a stand during a lesson......and I heard a very audible "crunching" sound. Unfortunately the bend in the corner that I imposed was permanent and I experimented with some boiling water before tossing it........into recycling.




...............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2019-05-25 02:27

saxlite wrote:

> I have experienced this both with reeds that stay on the
> mouthpiece as well reeds that are stored in plastic reed
> holders.

Paul Aviles wrote:

> I might let a reed stay on during a day once I
> set it in position in the morning, however, it comes off at the
> end of the day and the next one of four (or five) go back on
> the next day.
>
> Perhaps if there is a prolonged period of days you leave a reed
> on the mouthpieces, there is something happening regarding
> being exposed to heat (such as being in direct sunlight coming
> through a window........or something).

saxlite says it doesn't matter if the reed is left on the mouthpiece or stored in reed holders. He also doesn't say whether he's leaving the instrument out or packing it up (with one reed still on the mouthpiece).

I imagine if the clarinet with a reed mounted on the mouthpiece and the other reeds in holders, all inside a closed case, are then stored somewhere that's exposed to the warmth of direct sunlight, or the heat coming off of a chimney flu that runs up the wall inside a closet, that might be something to investigate. It probably isn't good to do that to the clarinet, either. saxlite will have to tell us if there's any possibility here.

With more and more players turning to synthetics in general and Legeres in particular, this would be worth tracking down.

Karl

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: Tony F 
Date:   2019-05-25 03:59

Do you press the reed against the mouthpiece with your thumb to dry it out? This can warp a Legere reed. Don't ask me how I know!

Tony F.

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: Tom H 
Date:   2019-05-25 05:16

I too have not seen a warped plastic reed (have only owned 2). After practicing I wash it thoroughly, dry it thoroughly, and put it in a plastic reed holder. I have found over the years that for some reason plastic reed holders prevent warping of wooden reeds somewhat better than metal holders. Don't think that is relevant to Legeres.

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austinmacauley.com/author/heimer-tom (PDF samples here)


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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: saxlite 
Date:   2019-05-26 21:59

To answer the various questions posed:
My reeds are never exposed to heat of any sort. I play the clarinet or sax for about an hour and then put it away in the case. I dry the reeds with a gentle motion between my fingers before putting it back in a plastic reed guard.
I can't find anything in my usage that would tend to warp the reed.
So, it's still a puzzle.

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 Re: Warped Legere reeds
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2019-05-27 18:30

The only other thing that I can think of is a chemical exposure of some kind. Perhaps something exuding from an old vulcanized rubber mouthpiece, or some exotic oil used to lubricate keys or the ligature fasteners.


????????



Please keep us updated on the investigation.





..............Paul Aviles

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