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 "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-05-18 17:05

The versatile and talented clarinet quartet "Four Play" does their first ever review of clarinet equipment here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=A+Clarinet+Equipment+Review+Buffet+Crampon+Icon+Line.

For this first segment (April 2019) they have chosen the Buffet Icon line to review. Let them know what other equipment you would like to see reviewed, and they might oblige.



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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: GBK 
Date:   2019-05-18 18:27

Clicked it off after less than a minute.

Here's a tip - - When making a video, speak clearly, don't mumble and ditch the annoying and intrusive background music.

...GBK

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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: fernie121 
Date:   2019-05-18 20:32

I think maybe they could have been mic better. As for the music in the background, this is standard of YouTube reviews. It could have been turned down a little bit better. It’s their first review video so I’m sure they will get better with time. I’ve been waiting for someone to get into this and do it well. They are in the right direction.

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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-05-18 23:50

Four Play has done many performance videos. This may be their first "show and tell" didactic one. Here's one of their performance videos (of a famous dance from Carmen): https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Four+Play+Clarinets+Carmen's+Habanera.



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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: Liquorice 
Date:   2019-05-19 09:08

"It has an inverse conical shape, which means it's a little bit wider at the bottom"...

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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: donald 
Date:   2019-05-19 17:05

Hhhmmmmmnn. Just what we need, more "experts" who don't seem to even think for a moment about what they are actually saying. No wonder Mr Pay gets grumpy now and again. Disappointing.

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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-05-19 17:29

Agreed that performers are not ipso facto qualified commentators on acoustics and clarinet design.

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Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2019-05-19 17:33

I agree that performers should not be regarded as experts on acoustics and clarinet design and may easily convey myth and nonsense when they step into that arena. Still, there is some benefit just listening to competent and experienced players try various models of the same equipment, even if their explanations of what they perceive are scientifically unreliable.

Some feminists might object that the negative response to this presentation is rooted in a male addiction to "mansplaning" (man explaining) everything and insisting that males always know best.

Each player in the group has at least one degree in either clarinet performance or music. Claire Grellier has a doctorate from the Nice Conservatory in France and is working on a second doctorate in the US. She did grad studies in the US with Hakan Rosengren and Boris Allakhverdyan. Rani Sun and Gabriela Castro have bachelors degrees in music from Cal State Fullerton. Shaniee Kennedy has a masters degree in clarinet performance from UCLA, where she studied clarinet with Gary Gray of the L.A. Philharmonic.

So if all this formal education and training in applied music and performance did not lead to a sound knowledge of clarinet acoustics, shouldn't we be talking about that rather than getting grumpy and dismissive with the women? Should clarinet majors be required to take a course specifically in the basic acoustics of the clarinet? Is the absence of such a requirement a serious flaw in college and conservatory programs?



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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: gatto 
Date:   2019-05-26 20:28

I don't understand the negative comments here. I find it nice that the four made a presentation of the ICON line. Of course, over the mic it is hard to really appreciate big differences.

Actually, I like the ICON line myself and can recommend it. I find the difference between ICON barrels and the Buffet stock barrels amazing. Besides my Aidoni's I enjoy them very much. (More free-blowing, somewhat cleaner sound.) Also the slim design and the light weight is definitely a big plus. The same is true for the ICON barrels, which for me seem to give a more focussed sound. (Together they are about 40 grams lighter than the stock material.) But personally I doubt that the color of the rings makes an essential difference.

I also like very much the ICON ligature. The design is the very same as the Buffet stock ligature (produced by HB, Herouard & Benard) but is not in silver but in rose gold with black nickle screws. Here I am convinced that the material really makes a difference, and also the haptic impression is better.

Since I am happy with my Vandoren mouthpieces I never tried the ICON mouthpieces, and probably will never do.

Disclaimer: I am a private person and have no business connections to Buffet or any other company.

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 Re: "Four Play" Reviews ICON Buffet Line
Author: Ken Lagace 
Date:   2019-05-26 21:11

>>Is the absence of such a requirement a serious flaw in college and conservatory programs?

Absolutely!

Do graduates know there are dozens of tuning systems, and that the clarinet is involved in four of them?

Just intonation, for registers, is the tuning of musical intervals that nature produces in overtones.

Well temperament, for playing with pianos etc, is a tuning system where the twelve notes per octave are spaced to sound good in any key.

Pythagorean tuning, sounds best in solos, is a system in which the frequency ratios are based on the ratio 3:2. [Large whole steps, small ½ steps, small minor 3rds and sharp leading tones]

Equal temperament, using Digital Tuners, in which the twelve notes are separated by logarithmically equal distances, 100 cents.

String players learn this. For instance, on double stops, they place the top finger on a Pythagorean tuning spot and the lower finger on a Just tuning spot.

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