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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2001-06-21 04:35
I just read the replies to the "college" post right before this one, and I was wondering, who are the best teachers these days? I want to play in an orchestra. I just applied to University of Michigan and Cleveland Institute of Music and was put on both of their waiting lists for their Master's of Music in Clar. Performance programs. So, next year or year after that, I am going to re-apply to grad programs (given that I don't get in off of a waiting list), and I was curious who the really good teachers are. Whose students get orchestra jobs? I applied to these schools because of reputation, and didn't know all that much about the teachers, other than that I really like Frank Cohen's playing. I'm really serious about clarinet and would really like some help.
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Author: AaronD
Date: 2001-06-21 16:50
DEFINATELY check out Michigan State with Elsa Ludwig-Verdehr, if your looking at michigan schools, she's where it's at.....she has a strong personality, but she's one heck of a teacher, and since it's in the michigan area why not give it a look see
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Author: Gary
Date: 2001-06-21 18:29
I got my masters from Bil Jackson at the University of Norther Colorado. He is one of the best players around today, and he turns out some VERY good students (Assoc. Principal of NY Phil is a student of Bil's, and one of the players in Pittsburgh is also). Bil is one of Marcellus' prize students; he won the prinicpal position of Honolulu Symphony before he got he bachelors.
After only year of working together, my playing is MUCH better. I can now do things that I previously though improbable on clarinet.
Studying with Bil requires a fair amount of faith. You have to believe that his instruction will make you better, and it will. I resisted for a couple months, but was then "reborn" and the progress started immediately.
Bil and I discussed possible teachers for doctoral work. Some of the people that he says are good teachers that turn out good students are: Eli Eban at Indiana University, Yehuda Gilad at USC, and David Schifrin at Yale.
Not to sound too much like an infomercial, but if I hadn't studied with Bil, then I probably would have stopped playing clarinet out of frustration (or at least relegated my playing to community band and orchestras), and focused on conducting. Now I'm waiting for audition lists to arrive so I can prepare for professional auditions.
Good luck,
Gary
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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2001-06-22 00:36
Well, ACTUALLY I live in California, but I'm willing to relocate for a good teacher, Michigan included!
Whan do you mean when you say you need "faith" to study with Bil Jackson? Is his teaching style very non-standard? What is it like?
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Author: Gary
Date: 2001-06-22 01:01
What I mean is that (and I speak on of myself) his methods and expectations were very different than my previous teacher's. A lot of the things he was telling me didn't seem to make sense, and some even went against the things I was taught in the past. If I had just had faith in his teaching from the beginning, instead of trying to discount his methods and trying to find ways to bypass them, I would have saved myself a lot of time. In other words, my stubbornness increased the time it took me to adjust to him.
I was one of Bil's teaching assistants at UNC (University of Northern Colorado). The other one gave me a bit of advice when I first got there. She said, "do whatever he tells you to do." Too bad for me that I didn't take that to heart right away. Regardless, I still learned TONS from him, and wouldn't trade that experience for anything. It was even worth living in Greeley, Colorado.
Let me know if you want to know more about him and his methods.
Gary
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Author: clarinet713
Date: 2001-06-22 11:27
Gary,
I know you didn't write this message to me specifically, but I would like to know more about Mr. Jackson and his methods
Thanks!!
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Author: jerry
Date: 2001-06-22 12:02
I suspect that there are clarinetists who play fantastically but who cannot teach. Then too, it might be said that there are those who teach well enough to turn out some of the best clarinetists but are mediocre players themselves.
Is this a fair assessment?
~ jerry
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-06-22 12:53
One well known pedagogue, Leon Russianoff (RIP), was not an "ace" player by any measure. He is, however, considered one of the finest teachers.
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2001-06-22 12:54
The best teachers are those that think, listen and play.
As a professional woodwind player I have a hell of a lot of brass stundents, and I activeley try to discourage them, because I listen to what is happening, think about what they are doing wrong or right and try to find them somewhere to play.
The right sound for the application, corrective treatment where required, encouragement when applicable and above all honesty and flexibility.
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Author: jerry
Date: 2001-06-22 17:50
MARK,
I think you lost me here.
"As a professional woodwind player I have a hell of a lot of brass stundents, and I activeley try to discourage them, because I listen to what is happening, think about what they are doing wrong or right and try to find them somewhere to play."
~ jerry
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Author: Brandon
Date: 2001-06-22 21:26
Cleveland is awesome. I second USC and Gilad. He really puts out players. Eban at IU, Manhatten if you want to study with Morales or Krakaur. Northwestern. Cincinnati is good. I have met and studied with Carmine Campione and he is awesome. I would recommend finding out where some of the younger orchestral players went. There is a fella up in Detroit that is pretty young. i think he went to Manhatten. McGill in Cincinnati is too. I think that is his name. He went to Curtis I think, but I do not know if he did grad school somewhere. But ultimately you need to see which teacher fits you the best. Also, a big name school may not have a great clarinet teacher. A big name clarinet player may not be worth anything as a teacher. But I am sure you know these things already. Go and take lessons with these teachers to get a feel of their teaching. That would be my best piece of advice. I am in the same boat you are in. I am currently looking at grad schools and all I have shared are things which I try and think about. Any other questions just email me.
Brandon Hood
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Author: Jen
Date: 2001-06-24 01:19
I've heard that Julie DeRoche is an excellent teacher.
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