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Author: Windy Dreamer
Date: 2018-11-21 20:23
I recently acquired an older Boosey and Hawkes Symphony 1010 clarinet at a local thrift store.When I took it to my tech shop they said, " Back in the day that was THE Horn to own." " Make up your mind right now whether you want to play it or sell it ." " If you want to sell it don't touch anything on it , not even a single pad or cork". " "There is a very strong local demand for that clarinet, the potential buyer will want to either restore it themselves or take it to their tech for restoration to their specifications." " Anything you do will only leave them fearful of what else you may have done."
Acquaintances say it is worth about $2000.00 as is to the right local buyer. Does that advice seem right for a high value vintage clarinet in need of restoration ? Basic restoration including key plating would cost about $1500.00 locally. A professional player with specific tastes could want undercutting or other modifications that could cost much more. It makes sense to me that a buyer that would spend thousands on restoration and fine tuning would prefer as is to low tech nominal restoration.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2018-11-21 20:42
I have to say the argument made by the tech makes sense. But the advice was on whether to keep it or not. If you decide to hold onto it and use it for any length of time you should make it what you want.
Er..........
I have a pair of circa 1976 Boosey 1010s that just sit in my closet. Is your tech looking for a pair of horns?
................Paul Aviles
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Author: Windy Dreamer
Date: 2018-11-21 22:20
Mine is a 1956 if I remember correctly. It is a golden year for local buyers. Finding the " right " buyer is not an easy thing.They could turn down 20 comparable clarinets before finding the one that " speaks" to them. On internet sale sites I've seen wild extremes. In the orient they are unbelievably high.In the UK I've seen fully reconditioned matched pairs with warranty for 1400 pounds from what appear to be reputable shops.On the auction site there are days where there are none under $3500 US . On other days there are several under $1000.
The year of make is important to premium buyers. My 1955 Buffet R13 factory blem is a good example of market extremes. Buffet released a batch of about 400 accoustically sound R13s that have deep scoring marks from slippage while turning. It doesnt even have a Buffet logo. The typewriter looking logo reads Academy. That batch was largely donated to schools or given to professionals as samples. Despite the scoring and ugly logo it is highly sought after by some collectors because it is an early run of a golden year.There are also some later ones that have both logos. They are often not accoustically sound but still highly desirable for some collectors.
As far as I know 1976 is not a golden year for 1010s.I would be interested in them though.Given that I am dead broke with a lot of lego for sale would you like to make a trade ? I'd also consider letting go of an early 80s Bundy in my collection if that interested you.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2018-11-21 22:22
Windy Dreamer wrote:
> Acquaintances say it is worth about $2000.00 as is to the right
> local buyer. Does that advice seem right for a high value
> vintage clarinet in need of restoration ?
In a word: no
If someone wants to give you 2k, take it, buy 3 more on ebay, sell 2, restore one for yourself, and it'll end up being free.
Perhaps they saw your nom de plume.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2018-11-21 22:56
Windy Dreamer,
You said above: "I am dead broke with a lot of lego for sale would you like to make a trade ? I'd also consider letting go of an early 80s Bundy in my collection if that interested you."
Please see the Forum Rules as you are violating this one: "No mentioning of sales or offers to buy are allowed on the BBoards. Use the Classifieds. You are of course free to email privately."
Also, I am not interested in knowing you are "dead broke." Please keep your personal problems/issues to yourself.
HRL
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Author: Windy Dreamer
Date: 2018-11-21 22:57
Check out the Japanese seller selling for over 5000. Also check their other listings for professional vintage clarinets. I know several people that make very good livings by solely buying and reselling on the auction site. I know some people that buy there to sell locally while other people buy locally to sell there. If you choose to track a particular collectable there you will see junk sell like gold and premium items sold like junk.
As a former collectables dealer I know that the collectables market is a wild ride of luck and desparation. Some buyers have to have it rigjt now at any price. Some dealers will take huge losses to buy something better. If you had to sell a vintage clarinet worth $1000 in the next 4 hours you would be lucky to get $100.00. If you were a highly respectad and popular dealer willing to hold out for years you might get $2500 in a day or five years later.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2018-11-21 23:08
Windy Dreamer wrote:
> As a former collectables dealer I know that the collectables
> market is a wild ride of luck and desparation.
Yes, but as a "former collectibles dealer" you would know to check eBay for asking prices in your area, not Japan. Having been a resident of Japan for 8 years a reconditioned clarinet in Japan might be worth the price, but Japan is a very different case from almost anywhere else.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2018-11-21 23:12
Sorry folks.......I started that.
Just good to know what a desirable 1010 is.
Mine will make good lamps.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: Windy Dreamer
Date: 2018-11-21 23:21
Sorry Hank
It was humor. There is no possibility of either trade in the real world. I think humor is permitted.
I meet many clarinetists that have a desparate need to be here for technical advice. They are scared to death of coming here due to the often dry purely scientific nature of discussion. They feel they are unworthy to move within these circles. A little humor once in a while might encourage the timid to come forward more often , providing benefit to them , the members and the outside audience.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2018-11-21 23:28
Windy Dreamer,
You said above:
"Buffet released a batch of about 400 accoustically sound R13s that have deep scoring marks from slippage while turning. It doesnt even have a Buffet logo. The typewriter looking logo reads Academy. That batch was largely donated to schools or given to professionals as samples. Despite the scoring and ugly logo it is highly sought after by some collectors because it is an early run of a golden year.There are also some later ones that have both logos. They are often not accoustically sound but still highly desirable for some collectors."
How do you know this? What knowledge supports your assertions? Specifically, to make a claim that "they are often not acoustically sound..." or to say "that batch was largely donated to schools or given to professionals..." when these are not your ideas and/or words is plagiarism.
I look forward to your clarification of these ideas.
HRL
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Author: Windy Dreamer
Date: 2018-11-22 00:21
Hi Hank
The intent was to reflect upon market realities and absurdities.The opinions were formed over a period of three years casual research. During that time I did not take notes. Nor did I check author citations. I doubt that there are grounds for plagiarism lawsuits but we do live in a world of often frivilous lawsuits that win.
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Author: Dibbs
Date: 2018-11-23 17:38
Dennis,
You're talking Canadian Dollars right?
Even so $2000 sounds high even if in excellent condition.
Check what some have actually sold for rather than what people are asking.
Over here in the UK, where it was once a highly respected respected instrument, a 1010 is worth about £750 max. in excellent condition and aren't that hard to come by for around £500. Check out clarinets direct in England. He sells a good few of them.
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Author: Windy Dreamer
Date: 2018-11-23 18:48
Hi Dibbs
Yes I was writing in Canadian dollars.Across the globe there are major differences in markets. Even between local dealers there can be major differences. When I did shop the internet auctions I spent a lot of time on the Uk site. I got many fabulous deals there. Shipping was dirt cheap and far faster than within Canada.We have collectables dealers here that regularly fly to the UK and fill shipping containers full of collecatable merchandise to bring here. On average their return on investment is between 4 and 6 to 1. I have never met anyone that buys anything here to sell in the UK.
Once at an Amerindian craft event I met an East Indian man from Italy. Vendors were annoyed with him because his people are not generally regarded as good buyers locally .Standing in the middle of a very expensive vendors booth he said " I'll take it.".With annoyance she countered " What , which one ?". He answered " All of it , everything .". His bill came to over $65000.00 Cdn. At that annual event he often spends up to $200,000 without ever negotiating, buying out whole displays. Buyers like him do exist but they in no way reflect everyday market realities.
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