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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 13:40
OK, I'll start :
Theobald Böhm (also spelled Boehm) --- (tay-oh-balt_bAYm)
Keep it going! [ I need to learn a lot! ]
Best,
mw.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2001-06-19 14:21
I don't think Boehm is pronounced "bAYm" - the umlaut ("oe") is closer to how we pronounce the "ou" in "could" or "would". Think of Goethe. I could be wrong, though.
How do you pronounce "Moenning"?
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-06-19 17:27
Learning to pronounce "Boehm" was, at least for me when I was studying French, a two-step process.
First, learn to pronounce the French "U" or the German umlauted "U" (UE), which is done by saying EEE and simultaneously pursing your lips as if you were saying OOO (as in "too" but not as tight).
Next, learn to pronounce the more difficult French "OE" or the German umlauted "O" (OE), which is done by saying EH (as in "may" but without the diphthong) and do the same OOO with your lips. This takes some practice, as the two muscle sets overlap slightly.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 19:28
The pronunciation for Boehm which i listed above is 100% correct! Best, mw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 19:30
(bay-hmmm & then say the hmmm FASTer ... BAYm))
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-06-19 20:10
Since your listed pronunciation for Böhm is at such variance with standard German pronunciation for an umlauted o, can you provide the source for your information?
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 21:36
.... my actual post was directly/verbatim (taken) from a music dictionary. Further, I had been corrected at the Clarinet Symposium by the Ass't Principal/Eb Clarinet from the Rochester Symphony (a very kind fellow). I just got off the phone with a Phd. from Eastman who agrees with the Eefer-player.
I don't want any arguments. Weinstein is of German derivation --- I can state that you my family has pronounced our name the same way for at least 150 years; I can also say that many Germans don't agree. For that reason, I believe that last names are _peculiar_.
(( my previous pronunciation was Boam (rhyming with roam as the Buffalo do) ... I have heard others pronounce it BEHm with .... the EH sounding something like the sigh I am giving right now!
(not the) Best (thread) (so far),
mw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 22:22
LarryB ... you mean Moennig as in the Clarinet barrel/Clarinet/famous repair pedagogue ... correct?
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 22:25
BTW: I said --- "The pronunciation for Boehm which i listed above is 100% correct!"
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I herewith retract --- ain't nothing 100% ---- until the fat lady (or boy) sings! (please I don't wanna hear anymore about chubby clarinetists)
Best,
mw
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-06-19 22:33
Per the URL you have referenced, your listed pronunciation is incorrect as Boehm should be pronounced with the standard German pronunciation and Ken Shaw's description gives the same result as that in your referenced URL. Per the URL, you must push the lips forward when saying an "ay" sound which then modifies the sound to the extent that it will NOT sound like "ay."
Describing the pronunciation of umlauts is very difficult when we don't have these in English. The best description I have seen for o umlaut is to pronounce it like the "ir" in girl but omit the "r." This seems (for me) to yield the same results as the description in the referenced URL.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 22:50
"AY" is not how I intended (as in assent or YES). rather, the pronunciation (the way in which I understood it) ... I understood the "AY" in question to result more in pronunciation (as to use the word) AIM. That is why I said BAY (originally, as in "charles bay").
The foregoing matches my understanding of the writer in the URL i posted.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-19 22:53
The BB is turning out to be a (really) poor place to discuss pronunciation, as we canNOT hear each other ... and in fact are going round 'n round saying much the same thing (at least some of us).
I vote for a DEAD THREAD!
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Author: Carl L
Date: 2001-06-20 02:44
...Well, like we country folk say, "If ya'll can't pronounce it...just call 'em "friend"...
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Author: graham
Date: 2001-06-20 07:25
"Bo" as in Bo Derrick, added to "em" as in the beginning of "emphatic". This gives you the London pronunciation which does fine for me. Your pronunciation is fine for you. None of us ever heard how Mr. Boehm rendered his own name.
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Author: Rene
Date: 2001-06-20 09:08
To learn to pronounce ö, start with the o in over (which is really ouver, but you need only the o), then go really slowly to an e as in end. In the middle of this process, you will inevitable have the ö.
Rene
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