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Author: StormFalcon32
Date: 2018-06-11 00:46
I'm not very familiar with buying clarinets, especially used ones, so it would be nice if somebody could give me estimates on how much a used horn should cost. For example, I see several R13's on eBay (is it safe to buy there?) that are around $1200. They claim to be used but in good condition. Is that a reasonable price? Also, how much could somebody expect to charge for a "mint/barely used" R13? I'm asking because I see some CSVR's that are supposedly in very good condition that are going for around $2300 which is very surprising based off of the price of the R13's.
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2018-06-11 02:47
Used prices for R13s start at about $1000 for more worn/older instruments and go up to about $2000 for fully restored/mint examples. CSVRs are still relatively new and therefore still a bit expensive. If you are looking for an older Yamaha look for a Custom or 8 series like the YCL 82. These will be much lower in price but still decent instruments.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: StormFalcon32
Date: 2018-06-11 03:11
Ok, about the R13's, I see a lot of listings that are "from the golden era" which I assume are back when the R13 was the top model. Are those any better than a newer R13 (assuming the same amount of wear) or no difference?
Edit: Just found a $1500 CSVR (nobody steal it from me haha) and wondering if it's trustworthy. Does it look credible?
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-CSVR-Bb-clarinet-Mint-condition-/142825706188?itemId=142825706188
Post Edited (2018-06-11 03:26)
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2018-06-11 03:28
Personally I find the "Golden era" models to be a bit better quality and the bores appear to be finished better (smoother). The older modes also have metal pins instead of nylon for the left hand pinky levers, but the pins can easily be changed with carbon fiber ones for newer models. Also the wood on older models is generally more free of defects like knots in the wood.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: StormFalcon32
Date: 2018-06-11 03:29
Good to know. Any guess on whether that CSVR is legitimate? It seems ok but I'm just looking for a second opinion
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Author: GenEric
Date: 2018-06-11 03:39
As long as there is a return policy and the seller is reputable, I don't see anything wrong with it. I would take it if I were you.
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Author: StormFalcon32
Date: 2018-06-11 06:45
Oh well somebody took the CSVR before me. That's a shame. Guess I'll wait some more and see what comes around
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Author: eaglebandmom
Date: 2018-06-11 08:00
What years are the "GOLDEN ERA" for R13s? At first I thought the best ones came from the late 1970s.
I was looking at an old R-13 for my daughter, serial number 53448. From what I can tell it was made before 1954. The C won't come out. I am not sure how much can be adjusted for a clarinet of that age. Does it have limits? The barrel does not have an R13 stamp on it.
Shannon
Post Edited (2018-06-11 08:04)
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Author: GenEric
Date: 2018-06-11 08:14
If you're looking for a golden era R13, I would suggest Copeland Clarinets. He is overhauling two R13s right now with brand new silver plating. I bought an A clarinet from him and it works great.
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Author: Doug Leach
Date: 2018-06-11 18:04
Shannon,
Based on tables I've seen 53448 should be 1956 vintage. So a relatively early R13. The C that won't come out I assume is middle of the staff? That could be a leak anywhere, but in particular one of pads on the "spatula" keys. Properly overhauled it could be a good horn. Some people think the early R13's were the best.
Doug Leach
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Author: windplr
Date: 2018-06-11 18:59
Just an fyi, you can get a brand new CSVR with full warranty for several hundred less than full retail. At least you could a few months ago when I bought one.
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Author: donald
Date: 2018-06-12 11:27
Mention above of the Yamaha YCL 82 Custom clarinets- one of those sold for under $1,000 US$ here in nz a while back. My wife (who claims she doesn't like Yamaha) and I both play tested it- it had quite worn plating on the keys (so had been played a LOT) but was a far better instrument than anything brand new i the local stores. In terms of tuning it was better than my Festival (hand picked at the factory in Paris), and played with a very even timbre. Worth looking at if you ever see one for sale, I reckon. It was a crime that this sold for so little.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2018-06-12 15:08
I sold my backup Yamaha CS Custom six months ago for $1200 (see the attached). I offered the clarinet here on the For Sale ads and got no inquiries.
It was in excellent shape, the case was perfect, and the tuning was spot on all across the range. I have a newer CS Custom that is even better. I know everyone is excited about the CSVR but most of these higher end Yamahas are really excellent instruments.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2018-06-12 15:09
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I sold my backup Yamaha CS Custom six months ago for $1200 (see the attached). I offered the clarinet here on the For Sale ads and got no inquiries.
It was in excellent shape, the case was perfect, and the tuning was spot on all across the range. I have a newer CS Custom that is even better. I know everyone is excited about the CSVR but most of these higher end Yamahas are really excellent instruments.
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