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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2018-05-28 17:42
The only one that was moved up and will play a tryout week next year is Lin Ma presently the assistant and Eb with the Baltimore Symphony. So I guess he won the audition but not the job yet. He's a very fine player, I enjoy listening to him when I go to the BSO concerts.
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2018-05-30 15:20
There’s a website. And bios. It’s not a great mystery. It’s also irrelevant. Great players are all over the place and auditions are hard to actually win.
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Author: donald
Date: 2018-05-31 13:02
Sometimes the person who has been doing the job for a couple of years while they look, doesn't get the job (I can think of one case where that's happening right now), and other times they look and look and end up just giving the job to the person who's been doing it on contract while they auditioned (I can think of one case in the last year where that's happened- the player who they gave the job to had actually been knocked out of the audition in the first round, but played on contract on and off over a 2 or 3 year period while they ran various unsuccessful auditions).
that's just how it goes.
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2018-05-31 15:43
“Playing the gig” is also a stretch. Eugene Mondie was the Acting Principal, whether or not he-who-can’t-be-named-for-some-reason-but-can-easily-be-found might have played Associate from time to time.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2018-05-31 17:26
Don't forget, they know how Modlie plays as well as the "other' player so when they give Lin Ma his week or two trial he will be compared to those others. The conductor, and committee, will have to feel he's "better" then them. Auditions are a funny animal, you can win the audition and not get the job, or you can get the job and not keep the job. That's why almost all orchestra's allow a player a leave of absence for one or two years to see if they get tenure in the "new" orchestra. I'm happy I'm retired and not going through that all over again today.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: clarinetwoman
Date: 2018-05-31 17:57
If you look at an AMAZING player like Ralph Skiano, I'm guessing he didn't get tenure at Cincinatti. He also was one of the last two finalists for this job last year. Wonder how someone like that doesn't get tenure? It is very interesting. I also wonder if he took this audition this year.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2018-05-31 18:09
>> Great players are all over the place and auditions are hard to actually win. >>
It's worth amplifying this a little bit.
I'd say that GREAT players are in just as short supply as they always have been. It's highly competent players that are all over the place.
Added to that: an audition is a blunt tool for finding the great – as opposed to the highly competent – player.
People here are often surprised that orchestras are tentative in their appointments. "WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?" we hear.
The answer lies in what I wrote above.
Tony
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Author: clarinetwoman
Date: 2018-05-31 20:42
I would have to agree with Tony Pay. It seems like a lot of players can "play the notes", but can they REALLY keep time in the Beethoven 6 slow movement? Can they really play the scherzo with good time and support? Can they play the mozart concerto with perfect time? Not close to perfect time, but ABSOLUTE perfect time and rhythms?
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2018-05-31 20:55
I think there are lot of people who can do that.
The challenge is to find people who can do that as well as something distinctive and beautiful.
Post Edited (2018-05-31 23:33)
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Author: rtaylor
Date: 2018-05-31 21:28
I'm reminded of the below video based on Tony's remarks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAnogOKR0I
I listened again to the Mozart Concerto concert that Wenzel Fuchs performed with Berlin a couple of weeks ago. Albrect Meyer's comments makes perfect sense in the context of that performance.
Cheers,
Robert
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Author: lmliberson
Date: 2018-06-01 06:11
To clarinetwoman:
If you don't really know, please don't guess. That's how stupid rumors get started.
Ralph was given tenure in Cincinnati within a few short months. Please get your facts straight, OK?
For whatever the many reasons, it was HIS choice to return to the DSO.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2018-06-01 16:34
I’m missing where lmliberson is responding to a previous comment on Ralph? Why are we suddenly discussing him?
I believe Tony Pay’s “highly competent” clarinetists can play with absolute rhythm and time. If they couldn’t, they wouldn’t be “highly competent”...my apologies to Tony if I’m overestimating his definition.
I appreciate Tony’s point and Alexis’s addition to it.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2018-06-01 16:51
And then there's pesonality, blending, cooperation intonation and just plain getting along with the others in the woodwind section and the conductor.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2018-06-01 21:53
A rather famous conductor once said to me:
"Listen, imagine two reviews of a concert. One says, 'Tony Pay gave a competent performance of the piece.'
"The other says, 'Tony Pay gave an incompetent performance of the piece.'
"Which would you rather read?"
I think the stuff about 'good audition comportment' misses the mark by a very long way.
Having been on the other side – the 'judging' side – of auditions, I can assure you that we're looking VERY HARD to find evidence of excellence. We're not looking for reasons to dismiss people for incompetence.
Tony
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