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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2018-05-21 06:09
The following assume the key of F major.
A trill on F with a flat symbol above the trill symbol would indicate a trill from F to Gb. (I assume this is correct.)
A trill on Gb, other wise unmarked, would indicate a trill from Gb to A-natural, correct?
A trill on marked Fb with a natural symbol above the trill would indicate, what? Fb to G-natural? If that is the case, and the base note is Fb4 (first space Fb), what fingering would be used for the trill?
I encountered the last today in a study, and assumed Fb to G-natural, but didn't find a good solution. Probably I'm missing something obvious.
In the last case, isn't the natural above the trill superfluous? I.e., wouldn't the assumption be G-natural for the top note anyway?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2018-05-21 13:53
The F-Gb one is correct if the trill on F has a flat above it.
Without knowing the context, the Gb trill is either a Gb to G natural or maybe Gb to Ab (see if there's an Ab in the same bar preceding the trill) as trills aren't any wider than a whole tone.
Any rapidly alternating notes with an interval from a minor 3rd or more is a tremolo and they'd be written out specifying both notes rather than noted as a trill (with or without the accidental above it).
The Fb trill with a natural is most likely an Fb to F natural trill (enharmonically speaking, E to F) as an Fb (E natural) to G is a tremolo being a minor 3rd.
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Author: Ken Lagace
Date: 2018-05-21 15:41
The rule on music theory (I was taught) is always trill to the next letter in the musical alphabet. Sometimes composers, arrangers, copyists, don't follow the rules.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2018-05-21 16:37
Sometimes you have use common sense and your ear. Especially today, composers make mistakes sometimes. Yes, it's supposed to be a trill goes to the next note on the staff within the key signature. Supposed to is the magic word.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2018-05-21 18:47
>> The Fb trill with a natural is most likely an Fb to F natural trill (enharmonically speaking, E to F) as an Fb (E natural) to G is a tremolo being a minor 3rd. <<
Key words being "most likely". It is an augmented 2nd and there are scales with that interval and other reasons to use it, but who knows what it should be in this case.
Ken is right about the basic use of note names for the interval i.e. if one note is F the other would be G, regardless of being sharp, flat or natural.
The most logical interpretation is the one in the original post, but it could be a mistake (by the composer or whoever physically wrote it) e.g. they meant to write E, wrote Fb instead, then kept the natural sign. In F major, is it Fb and not E because you are coming to that note from Eb or Gb? Maybe the composer did use an augmented prima interval for a trill... which would be weird.
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2018-05-21 20:15
In view of the conflicting rules of thumb, the advice about using one's own ear seems good to me.
Here follows my first attempt ever at uploading an image, for context. It's a little blurred, sorry. The relevant trill is in the 2nd line, 2nd bar. The context isn't especially illuminating, at least to me.
http://i67.tinypic.com/154kojs.jpg
I'll note that this publisher (Weinberger) has printed plenty of errors in similar music elsewhere.
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2018-05-21 20:40
Is this Jettel?
I would opine that the F-flat trill goes to G-flat, since that note occurs later in the measure (albeit in a different octave) and the G-flat trill in the next measure goes to A-flat for a similar reason.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2018-05-22 09:33
Seems like the composer screwed up and we are trilled about that. OMG that joke was the worst.
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2018-05-22 23:12
Rmk54 - it is Jettel. Special Studies book 1 #4. (How did you know?) I suspect one or more misprints more than I suspect the composer. Your suggestions, which imply some kind of error in what's shown, make sense and sound reasonable as well.
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