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Author: Musikat
Date: 2018-05-11 07:33
I have a few after market barrels that I use with my 1977 R13, and I do like the one I am using (a Grabner), but I am thinking of trying a Chadash to see what the fuss is about. I have always bought barrels "on a whim" first at Interlochen with Robert Scott, then a Wesley Rice when I went to look at a used Moba barrel he was selling (it didn't work for me, but his was better than the Scott). Then last year I purchased a Gregory Smith 1+ mouthpiece and in the process of trying a Grabner to compare happened to try his barrel with the Smith, and it definitely changed the sound for the better, so I kept that combo.
However, over the year as I have gotten used to the new setup, I find that I sometimes have to pull out quite a bit from all three places in order to be in tune, and there are still trouble notes. Since Mr. Smith specifically recommends the Chadash barrels with his mouthpieces I'd like give it a trial (unfortunately he didn't have any barrels at the time I bought my mouthpiece).
My question is which size should I try? The Grabner barrel is a 66mm and I tend sharp. The Rice, a 67mm, is much more in tune, but it doesn't sound as good with the mouthpiece. Since the Chadash is supposed to make the R13 more in tune with itself, do I start with a 66 or 67?
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2018-05-11 16:36
Where are you planning to shop? Obviously, the best answer is to try both. If you're buying online, I'd say order one of each and return the one you don't want to keep. There may be a small restocking fee, but there are online vendors who waive the fee if you've bought something from the original order.
If you really want to choose one to order at the outset, I'd order the 67mm if you're sharp with your current 66mm barrel.
The problems are that (1) a longer barrel will most affect the notes nearest the mouthpiece end - the throat notes and the left hand - and may not bring the longest notes down as much as you need, and (2) the pitch result is also affected by the barrel's bore volume, so two barrels of the same length may not produce the same pitch change.
There's also the alternative of tuning rings. They're inexpensive and, at the very least, using them as a temporary expedient might give you an idea of what the effect will be of a longer barrel.
Karl
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Author: Musikat
Date: 2018-05-12 07:27
Do you have a recommendation on where best to get them? I haven't had any luck finding stores in my area (D.C. or Baltimore) that sell barrels to try them in person. So I would probably either order from one of the big music stores like WWBW or Amazon.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2018-05-17 08:47
Did you ask Guy (Chadash) about his adjustable barrels? I tested them and found them to be pretty decent. They are lined with a composite material so they stay true to pitch. The sound is also pleasing. It's really perfect for Buffet horns and has a reverse taper, which I strongly feel is a must on most Buffet lines. Mainly the R13's.
Dislikes are they don't fit into the barrel slot of your case. Not a big deal if you have a case that holds a lot of extras. The cost seems high, but not really if you consider that the barrel is adjustable. $300 to $350. So you'd spend this on 2 barrels such as a 66mm and a 67mm and then a 64mm if the orchestra tunes high.
Sound quality should actually improve. I sold mine when I went to Yamaha's but I really liked them and they do hold their value very well. Other brands don't, such as Backun barrels on ebay can be found as low as $25.
Call Guy directly. Tell him I sent you. Maybe he will charge you a shade less. If he charges you a lot call him back a few days later! His prices change daily!
Ask him to send a few. For whatever reason there are pitch differences and tone quality differences.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: TomS
Date: 2018-05-21 03:52
Talked to Mr. Chadash a few years ago over the phone ... a very friendly fellow with amazing knowledge of clarinet acoustics. If my old memory serves, I think his barrels are overall smaller bore with an hourglass taper, but with a short cylindrical section in the middle. I was VERY impressed with the way it changed my R13's playing characteristics.
My question for him was that I was interested in a greenline barrel ... and he stated that he had special hardened reamers ordered for the greenline material. I was short of disposable income at the time, so didn't pursue getting one of his barrels right away.
I wish we had a better way for predicting player/MP/barrel/horn interaction, just to save time and money and get us in the ballpark for experimentation.
Tom
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2018-05-22 10:07
He's hard to talk with. He doesn't listen very well. But he knows his craft. He does make very nice horns as well. They are pretty much Buffet's but much better. Based on the 1960's. But again, better. Almost bought a set. But right then Yamaha found me. Guy and I remain friends. One of the things he did to solve tuning problems is move the octave key. It also got rid of some dead notes which Buffet has.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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