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 Clarinet shopping experience
Author: jerry 
Date:   2001-06-15 01:19

This is a touchy topic and it is not my intention to slander anyone. I wish only to relate my recent shopping experience while out of town.

I just returned from a three day vacation (I have some catching up to do on the BB) in Las Vegas, NV. While I was there I decided to visit Kessler's to check out the R13's they have on sale. After researching the bus routes, my wife and I rode the bus, and with a couple of transfers, we finally arrived at Kesler's, after about an hour (each way) in near 100 deg. heat.

We were greeted by a very pleasant and atractive young lady. I explained where I was from and that I was there to talk clarinets and maybe try out a few (I had my MP with me). She refered me to Dave (son of the owner, I understand) who was with another customer. When Dave finished he greeted us and he too was pleasant. As I was explaining the reason for my visit and brief background of where I was from, and my clarinet experience, he allowed himself to be interrupted by another customer. In my oppinion, he took waaay too much time (4/5 minutes) with them before getting back to me -- I felt as though my presence (asking questions, etc.) was getting in the way of business. Once he again turned his attention to me, I found that he is a bass player and not a clarinetset, but he told me that he does know how "To test play them", and that his dad plays clarinet. Dave's, dad passed behind him during our discussion and admonished Dave because there were customers waiting -- implying that he should be taking care of them, huuummm!

Dave brought out (from somewhere in the back) an R13(silver) and an E13, and suggested that I try them to see what the difference might be -- suggesting that there is no discernable difference and that maybe I should upgrade to an intermediate. I thought I had made it clear that I was interested only in the R13. But with the confussion of being interrupted, I suppose this was lost in the translation. However, because it was the only one available at the moment, it was suggested that I try the R13(silver) --(the R13(NK)'s were "...at the other store.") they all play about alike. I declined.

I thought that I might try a couple of the R13's and if I found one that suited me, I would ask that they "mark" that one for shipment to me for my teacher's evaluation. As most of you are aware, I know not how to check out one of these guys. Dave kindly explained that they have a three-day +/- evaluation policy and they would be happy to ship one to me. They had none in the store for me to run *my* test on so that part didn't work too well.

Bottom line, when we left the store my wife was furious about the way she thought I was treated. I was not as upset as she was (I still had hope) but I was very disappointed. She and I discussed it, and it has been decided that I will NOT spend that much money at Kessler's.

I felt that the people at Kessler's are very nice and that I had just happened to catch them at a busy time. I think that Mr. Kessler senior was not fair in his crabbing at Dave. I cannot kick the feeling that Dave is a bit naive in his ability to assess the quality of the sound of a clarinet (from a player's viewpoint).

Now, we could have spent $60 on cab fare (to and fro) and avoided waiting at the bus stops in all that heat. Then *I* would have been furious.

But what the hey! Out of every venture comes a good story. And afterall, its a clarinet story.

Cheers, everyone.

~ jerry

BTW - we left the clarinet money at the Aladdin.

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: Bob Arney 
Date:   2001-06-15 01:49

Hey Jerry, What's the "Aladdin"? You bought a lamp instead of a clarinet??? I've heard of people buying clarinets and turning them into lamps, but hey--to each his own.
Bob A

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: ron b 
Date:   2001-06-15 02:22

Jerrrrrry.... you said?

"BTW - we left the clarinet money at the Aladdin."

ALL OF IT ?????!! :
(how'd you get home?)

- ron b _

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: mw 
Date:   2001-06-15 02:37

easy -- you buy a roundtrip ticket _BEFORE_ you go!

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: Laur 
Date:   2001-06-15 02:46

Is the Alladin pretty ? Did you go to Paris.. or Luxor or Monte Carlo or Belligio's ?! What about Cesars, Excalaur or New York, New York.. Don't forget Rio, Emperical Palace and Manalay Bay !!!! Yeah, I'm not obsessed ! :) :) :) :)

Laur

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: jenna 
Date:   2001-06-15 03:10

At least you look to the bright side and tried to take something positive from it, jerry! I wish I could teach some of my friends to do that, rather than moan and groan about everything that doesn't go their way.

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: KevinS 
Date:   2001-06-15 03:46

Hi Jerry,

Glad to see you made it home from Vegas. Sorry to hear you left your clarinet money at the Alladin. Maybe next year you'll get enough back to buy 2 clarinets! Let me know when you're coming and I'll make plans to get together with you next time. Maybe you could sit in on our clarinet choir.

I would have to concur with your assessment. You must have caught them on a bad day. Chuck and Dave are usually really great to work with. Dave is not the clarinetist- he does do play testing. The master at choosing horns is Steve, he's one of thier instrument technicians, as well as a professional clarinetist that works at one or more casino gigs. As far as not having any R-13s in the store, you can probably guess that at the price they market the horns at, they move them REALLY fast. I see about 10 or 12 horns come in one week, they're all gone the next.

I guess I should have warned you about the public transportation here in Vegas. Not the best in the world by any stretch. I hope you survived the heat OK.

Hope you and your family are happy and healthy.

Kevin Stockdale

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 RE: Clarinet shopping experience
Author: Jim 
Date:   2001-06-15 04:24

The real lesson here is for those in retail. One cannot always tell the difference between the "tire kickers" and buyers, and it pays in the long run to be attentive to everyone. Our local branch of a national "home improvement warehouse store" lost 2 sales to people I was working with last summer, one for $2000, the other for $5000, simply by letting people stand around unhelped. And this is a business that prides itself on its customer service training!

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 RE: Another thought............
Author: jerry 
Date:   2001-06-15 11:02

......it occurred to me afterward that the wood instruments must be kept in a humidity controlled environment. How do you guys (Kevin, et al......) keep them from cracking out there in NV, AZ, etc.?

And yes we did had RT tickets, and we did spread the wealth throughout the casinos, from the Aladdin to Samstown, to the Golden Nugget, etc., etc. Further, I could not find a band in any of the casinos in which a clarinet was a part of their ensemble. I wanted to go by the Blue Note (jazz) Club but it was not open (does every large metropolitan area have a Blue Note Club).

We ate at the Flamingo one night and there was a guy playing a piano. He used an electronic keyboard as his accompaniment -- one hand on the piano, one on the keyboard. I told my wife that I was going to tell the guy to, "Hang on. I'll go get my clarinet and play along with you." Then the old imagination kicked in (I'm a dreamer) -- it would be so cool to be able to play well, you know, like Pete, and be able to walk into a place like that and offer to play along -- how fun! You can believe I would do it if I could play this infernal thang. Hey, I think I'll carry it everywhare I go. I'll bet a lot of you do this already.

One thing that I was more aware of this time (we've made trips to Vegas many times since 1965) was my lack of tollerance to the smoke filled casinos -- since I stopped smoking ten years ago. I came home with a cough and a sore throat but I do not have a cold.

Have fun all. I have one vacation day left and it's back to work on Monday.

~ jerry

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 RE: Another thought............
Author: KevinS 
Date:   2001-06-15 14:24

Jerry,

Thinking about the humidity thing,

I personally put a humidifier in each of my horn cases.(I'm up to three cases and 5 horns now.) The clarinet professor still uses orange peels in his case, seems to work for him. I do carry at least one horn with me whenever I go on vacation or business trips --- just in case ;>)

Take care,

Kevin

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 RE: Another thought............
Author: Brenda Siewert 
Date:   2001-06-15 15:01

See, the deal is that when you buy these "really cheap prices" on online music store sales (even Brook Mays), you don't get the option to play-test from the others in the back of the store. You get what they grab off the shelf and send out to you. The really good ones are saved for walk in customers who pay full retail or purchase their extended warranty policies, etc. I know that for a fact from a friend who owns one of these stores.

I played a couple of Festivals at a couple of Brook Mays stores in Dallas this week and can tell you there was a huge difference in the two. One was a piece of junk and had been on the shelf for over a year. It needed lots of work and was scratched and had floppy keys. Yet, the other one was brand new and wonderful and I bought it. But, if you ordered one online right now--guess which one you would get for their low, low price?

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 RE: Another thought............
Author: erica 
Date:   2001-06-15 19:51

Jerry said: "We ate at the Flamingo one night and there was a guy playing a piano. He used an electronic keyboard as his accompaniment -- one hand on the piano, one on the keyboard. I told my wife that I was going to tell the guy to, "Hang on. I'll go get my clarinet and play along with you." Then the old imagination kicked in (I'm a dreamer) -- it would be so cool to be able to play well, you know, like Pete, and be able to walk into a place like that and offer to play along -- how fun!"

At the beginning of May we went on our end of the year band trip, and the hotel we stayed at had a piano player in the lobby/resturant area. One night me and a couple of friends went down to listen and request some songs. After a while we were talking to him and told him we were in band and stuff and he offered to let us play something with him. We wanted to so bad, but our director advised us to leave our instruments on the bus (which I did not do, but I did leave my music on there, and some of my equipment (reeds, music stand) so we didn't end up doing it. It would've so much fun, but it didn't work out. My friends and I have vowed, that if we ever go back there, we're taking our instruments (and all of everything else that we need) and we're taking him up on his offer!

Erica

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 RE: Another thought............
Author: dew 
Date:   2001-07-01 21:15

jerry, read the sax boards...you'd find out lots about Kessler Music.

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