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 Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Speculator Sam 
Date:   2018-04-09 09:22

This outta shed a tear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOrZokhMRA&t=0s&list=WL&index=11

It's a documentary about the whole Anton Schdadler basset clarinets and performances on period instrument. My goodness, boxwood clarinets sound absolutely divine. This deserves more views. Clarinetists, hometown Squidwards, gather round and grab some popcorn this is intriguing and enlightening.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-04-09 10:13

Hope that one day Mozart's original manuscript (concerto and quintet) can be found. For me, the sound difference is not that big between modern and period instruments but for period instruments, they certainly have some problems in terms of tuning and voicing of some notes. Therefore I use modern basset clarinet to play these two pieces.

Also, the clarinet used by Stefan Harg is tuned to A around 430Hz?.



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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Speculator Sam 
Date:   2018-04-09 16:03

The period instrument, yes it seems it's in A. I'm not keen on exact hertz though. Oh, and I concur I wasn't doubting that modern instruments operate much easier. It takes enormous patience to practice and put up with those instruments. I thought it was unfortunate that the docu. only had 86 views at the time of sharing.

The sound difference isn't huge but it's definitely there. Like the difference in the Backun clarinets that are made of cocobolo and grenedilla. It'd be fun if modern instrument makers produced a limited edition of boxwood clarinets featuring the Boehm system.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Barry Vincent 
Date:   2018-04-09 17:29

Your search https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOrZokhMRA&t=0s&list=WL&index=11 did not match any documents. That's the result I got when I attempted to use your link.

Skyfacer

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: jdbassplayer 
Date:   2018-04-09 17:33

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOrZokhMRA&list=WL&index=11&t=0s

-Jdbassplayer

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2018-04-09 18:24

Charles Neidich has used modern Schwenk and Seggelke instruments that are made (at least in part) of boxwood. You can see and hear Neidich playing them on YT, and there's been a number of threads here about that with comments from some experienced performers of period instruments.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Speculator Sam 
Date:   2018-04-09 18:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOrZokhMRA another link just in case.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: zhangray4 
Date:   2018-04-10 02:07

the shortened link created by YouTube is most reliable:

https://youtu.be/UuOrZokhMRA

-- Ray Zhang

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-04-10 03:20

Quote:

It'd be fun if modern instrument makers produced a limited edition of boxwood clarinets featuring the Boehm system.


Yes, it is likely Buffet is going to release a L├ęgende made of boxwood.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: zhangray4 
Date:   2018-04-10 04:26

[deleted because posted by accident]

-- Ray Zhang

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Barry Vincent 
Date:   2018-04-10 04:29

Is there enough quality Boxwood around to produce enough quality Clarinets ? I'm assuming we're taking Turkish Boxwood here. From what I've read, the reason the Clarinet making industry went over to Mpingo and other types of Ebony Aftrican black wood is that it was far more stable and easier to work with.

Skyfacer

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-04-10 04:54

Barry Vincent wrote:

> Is there enough quality Boxwood around to produce enough
> quality Clarinets ? I'm assuming we're taking Turkish Boxwood
> here. From what I've read, the reason the Clarinet making
> industry went over to Mpingo and other types of Ebony Aftrican
> black wood is that it was far more stable and easier to work
> with.
>

Yes, box wood is softer and it is difficult to work with for more complicated key-works. But as Speculator Sam said, it can be released as a limited edition, as such an edition for other things, people will buy them no matter how expensive they are or how useless they are.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2018-04-10 05:20

For my money, in the video by Stefan Harg I prefer the tonal presence, concentration, center, liveliness, and depth of the darkwood modern clarinets he is playing (including the Buffet R13 prestige) to the mellow but somewhat muffled sound of the period instruments in boxwood.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2018-04-10 05:38

Hi Speculator. In the video I especially enjoyed the opera arias with clarinet. To my ears, the registers of the period instrument sound more dissimilar from one another than those of a modern instrument. It added color to the duet.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-04-10 05:53

Philip Caron wrote:

> Hi Speculator. In the video I especially enjoyed the opera
> arias with clarinet. To my ears, the registers of the period
> instrument sound more dissimilar from one another than those of
> a modern instrument. It added color to the duet.

We should note that these period instruments all have a so called German bore (therefore its fingering is more or less similar to modern German system clarinets. Eg., fork F). I would argue the sound quality you heard is more due to the bore rather than it is a period instrument.



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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: John Peacock 
Date:   2018-04-10 12:40

It's a nice documentary - thanks.

Regarding the sound difference between Harg playing on his Buffet and his boxwood period instruments, I doubt very much that we are hearing the effect of bore and material. The mouthpieces on these early period instruments are very different to modern French ones, with a smaller tip opening. It's a bit like traditional German mouthpieces, which just close up altogether if you approach them as if you were playing a Buffet. We all know that a change of mouthpiece can make a given clarinet sound very different - even just within the spectrum of Vandoren products. We must be talking about a much larger difference here.

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 Re: Mozart's lost clarinet
Author: Dibbs 
Date:   2018-04-10 13:31

The tone holes are smaller, and therefore placed higher up, on the earlier instruments. That, plus the necessity to use of a lot of cross fingerings, has much more to do with the smaller sound than materials or bore.

The mouthpiece has a lot to do with it too.

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