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Author: Linus Travelli
Date: 2001-06-13 23:42
Why is this Intro, Theme, and Variations attributed to Weber when Kuffner is the one that probably composed it??
What happened?
was weber plagiarizing?
or did they lose this piece for like a 100 years and suddenly found it in weber's apartment or something and said "look what weber wrote!"
by the way...what do you guys think of this piece? It's the all-state audition piece this year.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-13 23:52
Sounds like a good research project, Linus. Yes, the attrbution problem is discussed often. Best,mw
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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2001-06-14 10:44
I hate Weber lately. The last page of the last movement of the 2nd concerto is driving me insane
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-06-14 17:12
It's hardly unusual to attribute a piece to a famous composer rather than an unknown one. The Introduction, Theme and Variations sounds something like Weber, and so the publisher may have just tacked Weber's name on it. On the other hand, Kuffner may have tried to pass off his piece as by Weber.
Plagairism is when you steal someone else's work and pass it off as your own. This is the opposite. No wrongdoing by Weber, who was probably dead at the time.
The really puzzling one is how the Baermann adagio every got attributed to Wagner. It's nothing like anything Wagner wrote, even his very first pieces, and the Baermann quintet for clarinet and strings, from which the movement comes, was a published work, so there's no excuse for not finding out the right composer.
To Aussie Nick -
For me, the last movement of Weber # 2 works only when I keep the tempo at about 100, even on the last page. It's a dance, not a race. Besides, if you play the sextuplets smoothly and evenly, they sound faster than if you are all over the place at an insane tempo.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Kaizhi
Date: 2001-06-14 23:58
What about Albinoni's 'Adagio in G minor?'
Was it really by him? Where does the scholar (Remo?) Giazotto fit in?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-06-15 00:26
Perhaps you are confusing things a bit. The fragment discovered by Giazotto is generally regarded as a piece by Albinoni; however, his "reconstruction" is a figment of his imagination, since only the bass line and six bars of melody had survived.
Giazotto had not plagiarized since he attributed the work to Albinoni; however, the completed work should more or less be attributed to Giazotto - indeed, most recordings state "arranged by Giazotto", though calling it an "arrangement" takes a bit of a stretch.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-06-15 09:42
Ken, your advice on controlled tempo amde me think of G&S patter songs. When they go too fast, even if one can pick up the words, the impact is reduced because the listener does not have time to glimpse, let alone savour the cleverness of the words.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-06-15 18:03
Gordon -
Right!
That's why I've never replayed my Neidich CD of the Weber concertos. Even though he can (more or less) play the notes at the insane tempo he takes, it goes by too fast to hear.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2001-06-15 18:59
There's the "Vitali" Chaconne
The "Rossini" Introduction, Theme and Variations
And I'm sure many others...
I think with the Rossini they found an unsigned manuscript and saw that the theme's from a Rossini opera and just concluded that the rest is by Rossini too (which it probably isn't, no one really knows). Maybe a similar thing happened with the Weber.
The Wagner Adagio attribution seems stupid. Wagner wrote nothing for solo clarinet and something about him makes me think he wasn't the type for anything that small-scale (but the Siegfried Idyll doesn't sound much like his operas either).
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Author: Sara
Date: 2001-06-16 14:29
I was thinking about that Rossini thing too, I've never heard Intro, theme and Var. associated with any other composer.
Sara
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