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 Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: ndfay 
Date:   2018-04-07 18:21
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Well, I may as well open up my own museum at this point. Buffet Crampon LP Bb/A pair. They're missing an upper trill key, so maybe not Albert. But they've got a few extra key tabs compared to the typical full Albert. So, maybe "Fuller-Albert System?" LOL

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2018-04-07 18:36

Wouldn't know an Albert if it bit me, but it isn't an Oehler. It could still be German system of some sort, though.

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2018-04-07 20:31

It's similar to the Selmer 'Improved Albert' system - one of them has been painted as a massive mural on the side of a hotel (I'm sure you've seen photos of that doing the rounds).

Oehler systems aren't made by French makers as they're a German thing and have a German bore, but the keywork on both shares the same heritage going back to the Classical-era 5 key clarinets and developed from there.

Albert was a Belgian maker whose name has been attributed to the simple system even though it was made by loads of other prominent makers in Belgium, France, the UK and the USA.

Chris.

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: Fuzzy 
Date:   2018-04-07 20:42

Most of the keywork resembles Albert...but wow - that's a lot of keys for an Albert! I'm with Chris in thinking it looks a lot like a Selmer Improved. Didn't know Buffet made such a thing.

Just curious...what did you mean when you said, "...They're missing an upper trill key..."?

Fuzzy

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: zhangray4 
Date:   2018-04-07 22:05

Fuzzy, I think he's saying that there are only 3 trill keys instead of 4, but that's common on clarinets like these

-- Ray Zhang

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: ndfay 
Date:   2018-04-07 22:17

I was referring to the second banana key on the upper of an Oehler, making this not an Oehler. Of course, now I see that I typed "Albert" instead of "Oehler." Caffeine deficiency.

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-04-07 23:27

Oehler system is the German system with a plate key for right hand middle finger instead of a ring key. So it is very easy to know this is not an Oehler system.

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: zhangray4 
Date:   2018-04-08 01:45

Klose, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've always wondered why some German clarinets have the finger plate key and why some others have the ring key for the right hand middle finger.

-- Ray Zhang

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2018-04-08 11:05

zhangray4 wrote:

> Klose, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've always
> wondered why some German clarinets have the finger plate key
> and why some others have the ring key for the right hand middle
> finger.
>


This is a good question. Oehler invented this mechanism to give a better fork F5 sounding and a more comfortable middle finger position (note: there is no tone hole under the plate) but for Viennese bore instruments, this is not really needed. However, now with some fine adjustments, Viennese bore instruments can also have Oehler system and some traditional German bore instruments can use the six ring system as well (with little or no compromise). Of course, there is no exact number to define the so-called Viennese bore (same as R13 bore is called America bore). Therefore I call them both as German systems.

When you order a new soloist level instrument from most manufactures (not all), you can choose between Oehler and six-ring systems.



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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: John Peacock 
Date:   2018-04-08 13:39

This may be helpful: https://www.thevintageclarinetdoctor.com/-fingering-systems.html

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 Re: Buffet Full-Albert or Oehler?
Author: Neil 
Date:   2018-04-10 05:40

"So, maybe "Fuller-Albert System?" LOL"

How about "Fat Albert System"? Hey, hey, hey!

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