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Re: What is wrong with Buffet?

Author: Kalashnikirby  Date:   2017-10-21 03:07 Klose, I was aware of that, unfortunately I only got to play the 657-24 II as the best German System Yamaha clarinet. I'm also aware that their top-line models undergo very different R&D, so I'm eager to try out the CSG III. I'd only say that the price of a 857 is a bit too high considering the size and possibly efficience a company like Yamaha can produce at, so I'd support a smaller, local maker in that case. Oscar Adler produces some very fine cheaper models for both German and Boehm system. Other than that I'd agree with you and have to apologize that I said Yamaha made inferior instruments. I was more refering to the 657 and 457, but then this is an unfair comparison. It's still hard to believe how many excellent makers we have in Germany and their clarinets don't differ in quality. Anyways, one should take a day off or two and visit different shops. Please don't buy a clarinet on the internet if you want to spend 3k+ unless a short trial period is possible. Also, don't buy the 457-22 II if you ever want to play on the German system. The more or less European version of the R13, the RC was revamped a few years ago. Having tried one I wasn't unhappy about the changes, but I still believe there are better instruments for the same money. In fact, the YCL-CSV set itself apart from what I was used to expect from Yamaha, so I wondered if they have different factories and technicians for their better line of instruments.... Generally speaking, a new, out-of-the-box instrument should always seal properly - there's no apology nor explanation for Buffets practice and I wonder how they get away with that. Again, you're right in saying that there's nothing wrong with their marketing strategy. What annoys me is that so many people still buy instruments based on hearsay and adverts. Not exaclty Buffet's fault, though. Post Edited (2017-10-21 03:09)

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What is wrong with Buffet?  new	mproper2009	2017-10-18 02:12
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Roxann	2017-10-18 02:31
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	ClarinetRobt	2017-10-18 02:55
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	gatto	2017-10-18 02:58
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Steven Ocone	2017-10-18 03:44
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Ed	2017-10-18 03:49
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-18 04:28
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	nellsonic	2017-10-18 09:17
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Brenda Siewert	2017-10-18 05:04
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-18 07:26
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	clarnibass	2017-10-18 07:43
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	GenEric	2017-10-18 10:40
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-18 12:11
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Niclas.e.gustafsson	2017-10-18 12:28
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-18 13:01
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	gatto	2017-10-18 16:00
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	gatto	2017-10-18 16:07
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Chris P	2017-10-18 17:10
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Brenda Siewert	2017-10-18 19:27
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-18 20:25
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	MartyMagnini	2017-10-18 22:25
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Wes	2017-10-18 22:32
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Brenda Siewert	2017-10-18 22:38
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	TomS	2017-10-18 22:47
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Clarineteer	2017-10-19 00:39
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Brenda Siewert	2017-10-19 02:15
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	gwie	2017-10-19 02:51
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-19 04:54
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-19 10:45
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	HANGARDUDE	2017-10-19 15:28
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	MartyMagnini	2017-10-19 15:55
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-19 16:43
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	JamesOrlandoGarcia	2017-10-20 10:07
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-20 17:07
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	J. J.	2017-10-20 23:22
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-20 23:54
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-21 00:24
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-21 00:42
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	J. J.	2017-10-21 02:37
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-21 03:07
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-21 04:09
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-21 05:55
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-21 11:53
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	bsnake1956	2017-10-25 04:58
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	GenEric	2017-10-25 09:03
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-25 09:25
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	DavidBlumberg	2017-10-25 15:42
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	fskelley	2017-10-25 18:15
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-25 21:49
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	fskelley	2017-10-25 22:14
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-25 22:51
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	ClarinetRobt	2017-10-26 02:34
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-26 05:03
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	seabreeze	2017-10-26 05:10
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-26 06:18
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	fskelley	2017-10-26 07:33
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	J. J.	2017-10-26 07:54
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	mproper2009	2017-10-26 16:48
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	gatto	2017-10-26 17:17
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	zhangray4	2017-10-26 18:59
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	seabreeze	2017-10-26 19:48
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	brycon	2017-10-26 19:55
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-26 20:07
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-26 20:51
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-26 20:56
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	qp	2017-10-27 05:24
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	seabreeze	2017-10-27 06:14
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-27 07:21
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-27 08:03
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-27 15:21
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-27 17:34
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-27 17:46
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	brycon	2017-10-27 18:12
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-27 18:46
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-27 22:45
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-27 23:50
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-28 00:51
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-28 02:17
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	qp	2017-10-28 13:36
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	seabreeze	2017-10-28 21:26
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	clarnibass	2017-10-28 21:36
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-28 22:17
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-28 22:29
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-28 22:53
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-29 00:43
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	zhangray4	2017-10-29 01:14
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	zhangray4	2017-10-29 01:20
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Klose	2017-10-29 01:46
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-29 01:51
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	clarnibass	2017-10-29 08:32
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-29 12:14
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-29 13:33
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-29 15:53
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-30 06:11
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-30 06:50
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-30 07:18
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Clarineteer	2017-10-29 16:30
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-29 17:48
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-29 18:43
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-29 21:35
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-29 21:47
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	NBeaty	2017-10-29 22:07
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	zhangray4	2017-10-29 22:11
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-29 23:10
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-29 23:16
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	dorjepismo	2017-10-30 02:47
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Kalashnikirby	2017-10-30 04:26
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	cigleris	2017-10-30 04:34
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-30 06:32
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-30 07:09
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	echi85	2017-10-30 07:16
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	J. J.	2017-10-30 08:37
Re: What is wrong with Buffet?  new	Bob Bernardo	2017-10-30 09:13