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 mri of vocal apparatus
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2017-10-06 01:51

I'd like to see something like this showing different voicings and articulations in clarinet playing.

https://www.facebook.com/CollectiveEvolutionPage/videos/10155720407408908/

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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: zhangray4 
Date:   2017-10-06 02:07

Wow so cool, thanks for sharing! Here's one I found a while back featuring Sarah Willis of the Berlin Phil

https://youtu.be/ctyzYXd6HNw

The MRI part starts at around 8 minutes into the video. You can see the MRI starting at 8:40 in the video

-- Ray Zhang

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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: mddds 
Date:   2017-10-06 02:35

would be possible if the clarinet had nothing containing iron

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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: Bennett 2017
Date:   2017-10-06 05:56

A google search on mri clarinet - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mri+clarinet - returns some interesting videos - an ultrasound scan of tongue motions, an xray of various jaw & tongue movements and the like. However, none are easy to understand and visualize as the MRI of Sarah Willis. Perhaps the commercial DVD also found by this search has comparable MRI-Clarinet videos.



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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: zhangray4 
Date:   2017-10-06 06:14

Here's a extended version (focusing on the MRI) of Sarah Willis playing the horn

https://youtu.be/MWcOwgWsPHA

-- Ray Zhang

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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2017-10-07 01:45

More people than one might think have had an interest in this question but I don't believe their research has been collected and synthesized in any way for the community of researchers at large. John James Hanie of North Texas State College has done something of this sort for the trumpet. See the Youtube feature of Joseph Meidt X-Ray Photo of Trumpet and Horn Player. Physicist Joe Wolf has done studies so he could build a robot that plays some wind instruments. I think he has one that can do a clarinet or trumpet duet with a human player,. There is also a Youtube video by Ray Wheeler called the Clarinet and Tongue.

A look back at research presentations given at the ICA Fests will also reveal some material along the same lines. It just all needs to be assembled into a coherent cumulative presentation.



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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2017-10-21 11:01

An update on this kind of research applied to the clarinet: Kornel Wolak's presentation at the 2017 ICA fest was "A Comparative Analysis of Tongue Action in Single-, Double-, and Side-to-Side Staccato Articulation Types on the Clarinet." Together with the 3-D Electromagnetic Articulography specialists at the Oral Dynamics Lab in the Speech-Language Pathology department of the University of Toronto, he has been charting exactly what happens in the oral cavity during articulation.

See https://kornelwolak.com/research-introduction/.

His booklet, "Articulation Types for Clarinet," is based on these investigations:

https://kornelwolak.com/shop/.



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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2017-10-23 00:20

I am involved in this study by Kornel as the master of the lateral articulation style.

Traveled to Toronto and got hooked up to the MRI style Machine and went "through the paces" with his team.

Had electrodes cemented to the front, center and back of my tongue while articulating in the machine.

Results will be forthcoming.

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: mri of vocal apparatus
Author: eac 
Date:   2017-10-27 15:21

Curiosity compels me to ask how the electrodes were attached to your tongue. It cannot have been comfortable.

Liz Leckey

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