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 Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: tucker 2017
Date:   2017-08-13 16:55

I can't seem to find a side by side comparison. What are the differences between a CSVR and SEVR?

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: TomS 
Date:   2017-08-13 18:08

I think, roughly, the CSVR is more like the Buffet R13 and the SEVR is more like the RC ...

Yamaha kicks butt!

Tom

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2017-08-14 03:20

According to Yamaha the SEVR is more like the RC's. Cost a shade more, but not a lot more. I am fine with the CSVR's. Most of the pro's I know like these CSVR's a lot.

To be blunt I wish the bores were a shade smaller on ALL of the horns being made right now. But at least the Yamaha's play in tune very well. Each note sounds so nice and even. These horns are live. Even the German horns are live and the bores are straight. They've done their homework.

I'm sure I'd be most happy playing on the SEVR's, but they weren't out when I picked out the CSVR's. They came out about 8 months later.

Test both before buying.

STEUER REEDS Importer played by Sabine Meyer

NEWLY DESIGNED "Vintage 1940 Cicero" Mouthpieces

Yamaha Artist




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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2017-08-14 04:35

At the ICA Clarinet Fest in Orlando a couple of weeks ago, I got to try both the CSVR and the SEVR. I was disappointed that they didn't have the SE Artist there, and nobody seemed to know why.

The Yamaha reps told me the SEVR has a slightly larger bore than the CSVR. The CSVR is a very even sounding instrument rather like a very good Buffet R13 but with a different kind of ring or "ping" sound. If you want the original R13 ping, I'd say you have to go up in price and get a well-selected, set-up Buffet R13 Prestige (of which there were many fine examples at the fest). If you like the sound of the CSVR, it is probably unrivaled in evenness, tuning, and response. I found the SEVR had a slightly bigger sound and a very wide dynamic range. I could not believe how easy it is to go from ppp to ffff and back on it without the tone getting shrill or breaking. The SEVR has a ping to it but, again, not the same ping you get from a good Buffet R13 Prestige. It tunes as well as the CSVR and has a very even scale, with maybe a slightly rounder sound.

One more clarinet that impressed me was the Selmer Seles Presence model. It is very different from the Signature or the Recital. Less covered sound and less resistance. Very easy to blow and control, and great focus and resonance in the sound. I suspect that with the right mouthpiece, the Presence might actually have more of the characteristic Buffet R13 ring than the Yamahas. (I know I'm going to catch flack for saying that.) Is it just as good (for about $700.00 more) as the Yamahas? I'm not sure. I need to go back somehow and play the SEVR, CSVR, Seles Presence, and a good Buffet R13 Prestige side by side to really be sure.

All four of these seem to me to be excellent clarinets, certainly way better than the typical R13 out the box these days. I didn't hear any big flaws or drawbacks in any of them. Of course, they all have some weak points--all clarinets do--but any weakness in these 4 can easily be compensated for by a good player. And, let me add that despite the enthusiasm of many here (including me) for the new Yamahas, I can easily see that many orchestral players might still prefer the sound of a well-selected, expertly set up Buffet Prestige R13 and be willing to pay more for that.



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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: gatto 
Date:   2017-08-14 16:16

Have the Yamaha clarinets retained their natural wood?

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2017-08-15 10:21

I have a set of the CSVRs and a set of the SEVRs. I love both, they have very different sonic profile. I have to say I don't think the SEVR resembles the RC, I think it's more reminiscent of a larger bore clarinet like my Centered tone. I really like the way SEVR plays, it's hard to describe sound, I would describe it as maybe "less complex" than the CSVR? I don't mean that in a negative way either. I played the SEV a lot a few years back and the SEVR is a really different clarinet then I remember that clarinet being. I enjoy playing both sets of Yamahas better than the set of Toscas that I just sold.

Plus the build out of the box is impeccable. I received a set and played the Bb on a gig that evening.

Tom Puwalski

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: TomS 
Date:   2017-08-15 18:52

I have a YCL-650, which is sorta based on the SEV ... it does have a big, free-blowing, centered sound ... really good for wind band work ... and well in tune, especially the altissimo is better in tune than my R13 and others ...

I've played the CSVR and it's on my wish list ... dunno when I will turn loose of the loot ...

Just get the Yamaha and have the Buffet logo laser engraved on the clarinet body ... your friends will wonder where you found such a select clarinet ...

But the Buffet doesn't have any flies on it ... if you know what I mean.

Tom

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2017-08-16 10:12

Tom S wrote - "Just get the Yamaha and have the Buffet logo laser engraved on the clarinet body ... your friends will wonder where you found such a select clarinet ..."

I can't stop laughing!

STEUER REEDS Importer played by Sabine Meyer

NEWLY DESIGNED "Vintage 1940 Cicero" Mouthpieces

Yamaha Artist




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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: ClarinetRobt 
Date:   2017-08-16 18:02

"Just get the Yamaha and have the Buffet logo laser engraved on the clarinet body ... your friends will wonder where you found such a select clarinet ..."

Ha! Best thing on the internet today! (starts googling who does laser wood engraving)

~Robert L Schwebel
Mthpc: Behn Vintage, Lig: Ishimori, Reed: Aria 4, Legere Euro Signature 3.75, Horns: Uebel Superior, Ridenour Lyrique

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: gwie 2017
Date:   2017-08-16 22:02

Someone needs to start a business making fancy silver and gold logo badges that we can affix to our clarinets ourselves.

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2017-08-16 22:16

Actually we should all stop worrying about what anybody thinks about what we play. People are too interested in being "in the club" putting too much into "Brands" to really evaluate clarinets, mouthpieces, reeds and ligatures in anyway that resembles any kind of "scientific" way.
I just want to add this. Having a "logo change" to a Yamaha could cost more than the clarinet. At the last "horns of plenty" at Music and Arts center. A few CSVRs were sold at $2225-2350.00. That is a really good price for an amazing instrument. I have a few students looking for instrumetns and I've been waiting for them to come in.



Tom Puwalski

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2017-08-18 07:23

I know that Yamaha is always working on new projects. Here in the USA we often don't see them right away as they are first tested in Japan.

So we kind of have to be patient. When we do get the new models such as the SEVR's and the German CS111R just released this year we actually get the final finished versions.

So expect some new models to appear at the NAMM Convention in January. I think it is too soon to see a new version of the CSVR's. but something new, not seen yet. I am thinking a new version of the 650, plus another pro model.

STEUER REEDS Importer played by Sabine Meyer

NEWLY DESIGNED "Vintage 1940 Cicero" Mouthpieces

Yamaha Artist




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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: DanVeach 
Date:   2017-08-19 18:53

I tried both at ClarinetFest 2017. Everyone was clustered around the CSVRs, but I liked the SEVR much better. A huge, thrilling, resonant sound, especially in the lower register. If you play in a band, or want your tone to really stand out, this is the horn for you.

www.danveach.com

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: seabreeze 
Date:   2017-08-19 19:04

" " " " Ditto, Dan! With the SEVR, "the thrill is back." That's one dynamic horn.

If you want something good and really different from the classic Buffet sound (which is still great in itself!), that's it.



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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2017-08-19 22:07





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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2017-08-19 22:29

Here is the yamaha illustration of the Bore differences between a CSVR and an SEVR.

Tom Puwalski



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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2017-08-19 22:30

Ok I obviously have no clue how to add an attachment. Tom P

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2017-08-19 22:54





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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Shostakovich 
Date:   2017-08-21 06:48

Seabreeze, if you do go back and do a side by side comparison, make sure you throw a Selmer Privilege in the mix as well. I've played the presence and the privilege. While the former was on par with an R13, the latter blew me away. Your comment on the SEVR's dynamic range holds true for the privilege, too - the instrument was able to take every bit of air I could supply, and then some.

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Shostakovich 
Date:   2017-08-21 06:49





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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: Shostakovich 
Date:   2017-08-21 07:00

Oh, and you can get the little buffet badges here :P


http://www.dawkes.co.uk/badge+-+prestige+r13+%28france%29.dm?catno=wbu1685

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: nellsonic 
Date:   2017-08-21 12:00
Attachment:  Yamaha.jpg (51k)

Here is the bore diagram that Tom was trying to upload (see attachment).



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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: KaiLiau 
Date:   2017-08-22 15:21

Interesting diagrams for these clarinet. Any chance having the same for the famous CSG?

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 Re: Yamaha CSVR vs. SEVR
Author: jthole 
Date:   2017-10-01 19:05

Shostakovich wrote:

"I've played the presence and the privilege. While the former was on par with an R13, the latter blew me away. Your comment on the SEVR's dynamic range holds true for the privilege, too - the instrument was able to take every bit of air I could supply, and then some."

I had the chance to test a Privilege yesterday (and a Seles Prologue student clarinet). The Prologue was a solid midrange clarinet, but the Privilege was something completely different. It's rare that I immediately feel "at home" on a clarinet, but I was seriously impressed. Like 'Shostakovich' wrote above, the Privilege blew me away. Lovely response, sound, and intonation, and the keywork was really comfortable.

If I was to look for a new clarinet currently, the Privilege would be very high on my list.

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