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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-08-03 09:16
He's from another planet. I google him! Birthplace - "Another planet. Unknown to earth!"
At the clarinet convention in Orlando his performance of the Nielson was perhaps the finest concert I've ever been to. His college teacher was there too. Howard Klug. Indiana University. Also studied from Sabine Meyer. I'm sure many other teachers, as he started playing at a very young age.
Such a nice guy too. So easy to talk with. Had a lot of fun at the convention talking about other pieces such as the Copland.
NEVER miss a chance to see him play and be sure to introduce yourself to him. He's all smiles.
I just noticed the name. A girl! Forgive me here... This girl is amazing. Wow what talent! Can't wait to hear her in 5 years. A Bliss twin!
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: nellsonic
Date: 2017-08-03 13:16
The title of this post is too clever by half. It falls short of being respectful. The name of the accomplished young lady in the video is Katarina Marjanov.
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Author: AndyW
Date: 2017-08-03 13:49
anyone more expert than me care to comment on Katarina's left hand finger positions??
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2017-08-03 15:16
Excuse me while I go hit the practice room.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-03 19:23
"It falls short of being respectful."
Ok..sorry to offend.
Is this a gender issue for you? (I don't know, I hope not.)
Showcasing an amazing player (I don't know) on the clarinet bboard, knowing her name's in the link, and rather than including it, comparing her to an amazing an affable player who happens to be a man...
...and funny enough, I chose Mr. Bliss as much for his talent as for comparison footage of him at that age I'd seen, in addition to content of him also performing "Bumblebee."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe_WiPxEAY8
FWIW, I would consider it an (undeserved) honor if after I played, people felt me so great they called by "Sabine" Jones (after Sabine Meyer)....an amazing clarinetist who IMHO faced enormous gender discrimination (that makes me very angry as music should only be about sound)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabine_Meyer
that paradoxically and serendipitously enough benefited us as likely being better familiar with her play, as a result of this discrimination steering her toward solo work.
Something tells me that Katarina Marjanov would be enormously proud I called her the Juliana Bliss of the clarinet world.
My opinion: tough talk from someone who didn't showcase her.
Katarina: if you're out there and I've offended you I apologize; I am in awesome respect for your skills, and changed the subject title of my thread as evidence of same. Here's another video of you taking on one of my favorites, which so few soloists do, IMHO, because it's so freakin difficult, and how I originally found you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hfbq65p10s
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-03 19:51
"anyone more expert than me care to comment on Katarina's left hand finger positions??"
If she came to me as an amateur with that left hand position I might (might) offer some suggestions on rounding off the ring finger and pinky because I believe rounded fingers work best in unison with other rounded fingers...to wit: C#4 and G#5 played to D4 and A5 respectfully cleanly. My grounds...my justification would be that such things might come to haunt her in the future as she took on my complex pieces.
But Katarina, like Drucker, whose fingers are not only less than textbook perfect, but IMO some of the most accurate the world has known, is already at the complex level of play at which "if it ain't broke don't fix it," I think would apply.
One of the things I listen for when hearing this piece is if the transition right before letter "C" in Spohr, from G#5 to A is clean, which for her is without question the case:
https://youtu.be/6Hfbq65p10s?t=2m26s
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Author: ClarinetRobt
Date: 2017-08-03 20:04
Katarina is a force to be reckoned with!
I know I'm completed in love with Sabine right now. Her recording with Bliss of the Krommer Double Concerto - Op91 is just my favorite thing going right now.
Without naming names, there are several clarinet players with CDs that are good players, but I dare say, not extraordinary. They play as well as any advanced college student. But they have a nice looking face and got the recording contract. Good for them. I'm sure there was more to than that. (I'm ready for the backlash for my comment.)
I'm in no way implying Julian Bliss, Anthony McGill, Andreas Ottensamer, Martin Frost, Sabine Meyer aren't attractive. But you know it doesn't hurt to move product - Sex Sales, even for clarinetist.
I thought WhitePlainsDave comment was innocent and complimentary. I know I didn't look for any ill intent.
~Robt L Schwebel
Mthpc: Behn Vintage
Lig: Ishimori, Behn Delrin
Reed: Legere French Cut 3.75/4, Behn Brio 4
Horns: Uebel Superior (Bb,A), Ridenour Lyrique, Buffet R13 (Eb)
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Author: CEC
Date: 2017-08-03 21:10
"if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Indeed.
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2017-08-03 21:44
Quote:
Is this a gender issue for you? (I don't know, I hope not.)
What is the basis for the implied accusation against nellsonic?!
It appears that nellsonic's only "issue" was that credit for the performance was omitted in the original post, and credit was inferred to a different performer. (As evidenced by Bob's reply - nellsonic's statement had merit in the context of the time it was posted.)
Respectfully,
Fuzzy
(Edit: as a side note, I too, had thought you were originally speaking about Julian Bliss - and skipped the link entirely until nellsonic's explanation that the performance was by Katarina Marjanov.)
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-03 23:11
"What is the basis for the implied accusation."
I have no idea what issue(s) nellsonic has with my title. I so much as said so, and apologized, which some think was unnecessary.
The very sentence of mine you use as justification for your logic makes my point abundantly clear in its interrogatory, not accusatory question mark, followed by my explicit communication of my mindset of question at the time (To wit: "I don't know.")
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What I did say is that *if* this is gender related for nellsonic, it wasn't for me, citing reasons why. For all I know, nellsonic might be her friend, parent, sibling, cousin or teacher.
In fact one of the things I like best about the clarinet is how it has become, like violin, the ultimate gender neutral instrument. In a world where the inherent abundance of testosterone in males will always, *on average* make them stronger and faster in the athletic arena, (not my finding but science's) clarinet provides a wonderful level playing field for genders, early on, to see themselves as the equals they in fact are, or so says the father of daughters.
"It appears that nellsonic's only "issue" was that credit for the performance was omitted in the original post"
No it neither appears that way or is that way. Rather in nellsonic's acknowledgement of the double entre, to wit:
"The title of this post is too clever by half"
(see the "too clever")
she understands this wasn't only about leaving a player's name out, but a play on words she didn't appreciate: which of course is her right.
Bob's seemingly innocuous mis-reference to Mr. Bliss is something that is wrong of you to assume (read: your assumption is wrong, not "assumptions are bad") was nellsonic's issue as well, all while you accuse me of assumptions.
"I too, had thought you were originally speaking about Julian Bliss."
You and Bob alone.
..and then you, like nellsonic explored the post and realized it wasn't (I'm sorry the name Juliana, in quotes no less, wasn't enough)
Inner monologue: "Dave, you just can be all things to all people all of the time."
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2017-08-04 00:07
I also initially thought you were referring to a video of Julian Bliss. Which is why I didn't bother clicking on the link at first (I've seen enough of his early child prodigy videos already). Humour is often misunderstood on a forum such as this.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-04 00:24
Imho irrelevant on two fronts: the person raising issue got it and you who didn't, chose to not criticize without taking at least a viewing or careful reading of my explanation.
Many of my posts start with the word "satire" knowing how the written word can have its meaning lost in translation-even when I think the message is clear. I especially heed to this philosophy here knowing many don't speak English as their first language.
Juliana, in quotes. Perhaps others should also assign blame for loss of meaning on skimm reading (I.e. Themselves)-as after all both sender and receiver of a message share responsibility for its clear communication.
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Author: Late_returner
Date: 2017-08-04 13:07
thanks WPD for posting it.
I have total respect, so please don't mistake this for criticism,but I am surprised that she is carefully reading the whole thing ( peering intently and moving over at the second page). If I were to play at anything like the speed I would have to do loads of muscle memory prep to get my fingers moving "without me". I would not attempt to sight read at the speed. Just a few reference looks at where I am.
I had not thought this was unusual, but now I wonder.... Do you guys ever go into performing such a fast passage without muscle memory and relying on reading ?
I know I've lost a lot of grey matter since I was 13, but to me this is a further awesome aspect of the performance.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-04 19:02
Royston:
First (in the interest of clear communication) I am gleaning that your above reference, from context, ("carefully reading")--which it appears is what she's more doing on the Bumblebee performance, not the Spohr, is your area of focus.
Unless Ms. Marjanov possess some, quite literally, out of the world musical sight reading ability--the music she looks so intently at is nothing more than a series of metaphorical index cards, as a speaker might take with them to a otherwise well rehearsed presentation.
The "muscle memory" you refer to I'm all but certain is quite alive and well is Ms. Marjanov's performance.
"Do you guys ever go into performing such a fast passage without muscle memory and relying on reading."
(Satire) Only the performers who are "monitored by the Men in Black."
http://tinyurl.com/y8x37tzu
"Bumblebee" is a classic example of a piece of music that is learned through repetition, initially taken at extremely slow metronomic pace, and worked faster at extremely slow pace. What I think we are seeing here is the illusion of sight reading, in her careful visual intent on what otherwise might simply be small type music (or subject to acuity loss via, for example, repetitive "photocopy wash") with lots of "black ink"--code speak teachers of mine have used for notes that subdivide the beat at 16ths, 32nds and beyond.
Lest anyone infer from above (I really don't know how) that I am minimizing Ms. Marjanov skill, otherwise so amazed by it to initial post, as nothing more than hard work; mere parroting..........with the circular breathing added no less, allow me to postulate that in world of 7.5 billion, that the number of people who could do that as well is represented by a 3 digit number, maybe a 2 digit number.
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"Don't let the black ink psych you out," a teacher of mine once said in reference to another piece.
"We can write it in 8th notes if you like, we just have to put the metronome on 320," he said with a smile---knowing that even with the head cleared, the music was still quite a challenge.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-04 19:12
(Satire)
Dave--how dare you accuse Ms. Marjanov of copyright infringement in her use of a photocopied piece of licensed music without evidence of same!
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(Recursive Retort)
I am sorry "Dave" that my mere speculation of a reason why Ms. Marjanov might be looking at the music so intently made you think that I think she's a criminal.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-04 20:08
Mr. B:
Was your absolutely informed opinion related to the underlying initial theme here of 1 in a million performances?
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Author: nellsonic
Date: 2017-08-05 04:29
Apology accepted. Thank you, Dave. There's a long history of diminishing the accomplishments of minorities by tagging them with the name of someone in the majority.
[Great black athlete] is the black [great white athlete].
[Great woman musician] is the female [great male musician].
Leaving out their name entirely is even worse.
I take you at you word and agree with and appreciate most of the rest of what you wrote about gender and clarinet playing. I did not mean to start an argument or long debate, just to point out that credit should be explicitly and exclusively given where it is due. It's part of what is needed for equality to be a reality and not just an ideal.
I was happy to be the first to type Katarina's name on this bulletin board, as I'm sure you are to be the first to bring her to our attention.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-05 05:14
Bygones.
Still more, I get, no, I live your point, and why I donate my retirement time here:
http://ccbxhsm.org/
The NYC Public School System's only magnet school for the arts in the Bronx.
Still more, we are a product of our experiences. If Sabine Meyer expressed similar thoughts to your own (even if it might be solely for gender discrimination) I would have said nothing beyond apology--NOT because of her celebrity or proficiency on clarinet, but knowing of her life experiences with gender discrimination.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-08-05 05:56
There's more.
A brother I believe (my Czech, which is what I believe is the language in the video, is all but non-existent): Nikola
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3-q_O2-fWc
This year, doing one heck of a Poulenc for his age:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5qGhg1BpVQ
And finally, to not "diminishing the accomplishments" of people who probably don't come from "4 car families," the loss of translation of Czech notwithstanding, a little about how a people who should be known not only as the leaders in etched glass creation that Vandoren gets its reed resurfacer from, but the clarinet reed and instrument it's used on, which you don't need a translator to see's taken pretty seriously there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JffV0Scbgq8
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