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Author: TheClarinetKid
Date: 2017-06-30 02:23
Well, as a part of my research for my diploma recital exam, with this opportunity I was able to learn more fully about Oehler & Albert system clarinets.
I was wondering if I could self learn on an Albert System clarinet for fun. I find those systems quite fascinating!
The Boehm system, I think I have fully mastered, (Not a master player but knows where the things are). I mean it would be rather cool to pull out an Albert system clarinet for German music or something.
Is there some fingering chart? Is it quite different from the Boehm system? Is it a completely different beast which I have to re-learn on?
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2017-06-30 04:18
There are fingering charts for the Albert system somewhere on this site.
The Otto Langley Tutor certainly contains charts for both Boehm and Albert system, there are probably others too. Try that site!!
Fundamentally there are not huge differences between the systems, but enough to make it necessary to work at it
I think the biggest physical problem for me and many players is the extra stretch required between RH fingers 1 and 2.
RH 1 and 2 are where some of the differences focus e.g. B vs Bb. And LH 1 has similar facets.
The pinkies are different but this is probably the easiest part to manage, especially if you are used to sliding around on the Boehm keys!
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2017-06-30 05:48
I originally learned to play on an Albert clarinet. Conversion to a Boehm took only a few hours, although I was about 15 then and things happen quicker when your mind is still young. Today I mostly play a Boehm, but I can still play an Albert when required. There's not a huge difference, the major problem is that the hole spacing is slightly different.
Tony F.
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2017-06-30 05:51
Be very careful! If it works the way it did for me - I restored an Albert System for the University, and they asked me to demonstrate it. I learned Albert System just to demonstrate it, and I have never gone back to Boehm! Albert just made so much more sense to me! ;^)>>>
(It is super easy to self-learn Albert...in fact, I'd suggest avoiding the fingering charts and start from your boehm fingerings, then go by ear - you'll end up with the best fingerings for your make/model/layout.) B3/Bb3 F5/F#5 F4/F#4 C6/C#6 - these are the primary notes you'll need to change. To me, the fingering pattern is very linear compared to boehm.
Have fun!
Fuzzy
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Author: Matt74
Date: 2017-06-30 07:38
I taught myself recorder without a fingering chart, and went straight to playing four sharps. Knowing flute helped a lot. It was quickly obvious what the best fingerings were. I've always wanted to try a German/Simple system clarinet.
- Matthew Simington
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Author: Dibbs
Date: 2017-06-30 13:30
Be sure to get one with the patent C# mechanism. It saves a lot of sliding. You may even like it better than the boehm pinky keys.
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Author: Klose ★2017
Date: 2017-06-30 13:32
Why not just learn Oehler? It is much better and more useful...
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2017-06-30 13:53
Albert/simple systems will have a bore suitable for using any French style mouthpiece whereas Oehler and German systems require a German style mouthpiece more suited to the German bore.
That's not to say you can't use a French mouthpiece on a German bore clarinet (or vice versa) - some may simply not fit in the barrel or may have tuning/intonation issues when used on the 'wrong' clarinet. But if it works, then there's no harm done.
Alberts/simple systems can be picked up relatively cheap, but do aim for one marked L.P. (Low Pitch) if you want to play alongside other instruments tuned to 440Hz. They were built at both pitches, H.P. (High Pitch) being 452Hz, so not compatible with 440Hz instruments.
Most German and Oehler fingerings will work on Albert/simple systems as the basic fingerings are near on identical - only Oehle systems will have more alternative fingerings compared to a basic 13 key Albert/simple system.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Klose ★2017
Date: 2017-06-30 14:01
To me Alberts/simple is something like Windows 95, which is quite out of date... But of course, it should be fun to learn.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2017-06-30 15:44
I have a Pustophon Albert. Plays on the same mouthpiece I use on my Imperial and tunes better. I also have a Pustophon Boehm, which may be the best clarinet I've come across. The jury is still out, but it's very good. It also tunes very well on the same mouthpiece.
Tony F.
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Author: ned
Date: 2017-07-03 05:39
Chris P wrote: ''...only Oehle systems will have more alternative fingerings compared to a basic 13 key Albert/simple system...''
...or a Hawkes & Son ''simple'' with 12 keys.
Mine works just fine and I can play in all the desired keys I need, for jazz. I also have a 15 key Buffet as a spare.
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