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Author: Bill
Date: 2001-06-03 17:01
Is there a web page that has an "exploded" view of a clarinet with all the part names?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-06-04 00:36
Bill, I was hoping someone could give you definitive info, I dont know of what I think you are looking for. Most beginning-student instruction manuals have quite elementary clarinet care and fingering information. You can find more advanced info in the several "Clarinet" books, such as by Brymer, Lawson, Pino etc available from Amazon and Barnes/Noble for $10-15. Luck, Don
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Author: Rosie
Date: 2001-06-04 02:12
Bill -
I'd be interested in that too. I was reading the 'Educator's Guide' that tells about clarinet maintenance and they talk about oiling the key mechanisms. To be honest, I'd like a picture with arrows that say, put a drop 'HERE'. I'm not really sure where to oil, and I read with interest the posts about viscosity, but still no good pointers (pun intended :-).
I just oiled the bore for the first time last night, very gently, and even with cigarette papers, I noticed some sticky keys after practicing this evening. So I'm a little nervous about oiling, but I need to learn.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-06-04 12:17
Oil every location where one metal part can move while in contact with another part which is stationary. That includes for example, the cracks between keys and their respective posts, and between flat springs and their respective contact points. Note that I wrote metal. Do not oil where there is cork or felt at a contact location. For protection from rust it does not hurt to put a small drop on every screw slot also. In any location such as the lower end of the left hand F/C lever where there is cork glued on very close to the pivot to be oiled, make sure you do not use too much oil or it will seep to the cork and can make it sticky &/or soften its glue so that it soon falls off.
Ideally keys should be removed for oiling so that the oil can be placed at the BOTTOM of the holes in the keys that the ends of point pivot screws inhabit. Then this drop acts as a little reservoir. (If there is air in this reservoir then any oil administered with the instrument assembled will never fill this cavity because of capillary attraction at the pivot contact area itself) On the long pivots (steels or pivot rods), such as for side keys, one can ensure the oil is along the entire length.
However lubrication is likely to be done this way only when the keys are removed for other reasons.
Oiling while the instrument is assembled could be regarded as lubricant top up rather than lubricant establishment, which is the reason it should be fairly regular, say twice per year.
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2001-06-04 14:37
<i><font color="purple">Many parts go under several common names.</font></I>
Even so it would be nice to start and establish some conventions, I find names like "Eb-Bb key" or "E-B key" confusing. Also as I am waiting for my full Boehm to come back from the rebuuilder I will soon need to learn names for some new keywork I never had before.
A good chart naming parts would be useful!
Just IMHO, Terry
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-06-04 15:17
A number of years back, LeBlanc published [for dealer use and promotion] quite a few "pamphlets" on a variety of clar and music subjects, at least several discussing minor repair and general care . I have some and will look them up and post anything pertinent to this thread. Don
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Author: herb
Date: 2001-06-05 13:42
Get a copy of the Selmer repair parts catalog. It has exploded views of most wind instruments you'll ever encounter.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-06-05 14:29
Very true, Herb, thanx, how costly? [ JB, DS, RB ??] As I recall looking into one, its highly detailed. What I was referring to is one of several pamphlets by LeBlanc, back in the '70-80's?, [ freebies, I believe] entitled "The Backroom, A woodwind repair manual", by John Novak, LeBlanc Educational publications, 19 pages. With good repair info, it names many keys using the low/clarion notation and likely would be sufficient for our initial questioner. I'm sure there are others, please add. Don
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-06-05 15:28
Here goes then - there is a fair bit of logic associated.:
1. There is a general understanding that a 'key' has a key cup on it, whereas a 'lever' has no key cup, but in turn operates a key.
2. The nomenclature that uses two note names is unique to clarinet key naming and is used to save confusing by referring to the notes pertaining to both registers.
The order of these 2 note names does not really matter.
So, using the above, the right 'pinky' operates four keys (clockwise starting with the most accessible one): Eb/Ab key(or D#/G# - take your pick), F/C key, E/B key, F#/C# key.
The left pinky operates the F/C lever, E/B lever & F#/C# lever.
3. The group of four "side keys" They could be numbered 1 to 4 but there would be ambiguity about which end we started at. So I call the lowest one 'side Eb/Bb key' (or 'bottom side' key). The next is 'F# side key' because that is the only note it is used for, the next is 'Bb side key' (hoping not to confuse it with Eb/Bb). I call the top one the 'top side key'.
4. Now those skinny ones between the 3rd & 4th fingers: These are for alternative fingerings so the are often called 'alt.' keys. So the left hand one is called 'upper banana key' or 'alt. Eb/Bb key'. the lower one is 'lower banana key' or 'alt. F#/B key'.
5. All the others, starting at the top of the instrument: 'Register key', 'throat A key', 'throat G# key', 'F# key', 'thumb key', 'A/D key' (or 'upper bridge key, especially if referriing to the 'bridge' part of it), 'C#/G# key', 'low ring key' .
Of course the 'low ring key' can be divided into the following parts: 'lower bridge key' (if referring to the link to the 'upper bridge key'), 'F#/B key cup', 'F/Bb ring key', 'E/A ring key', and 'D/G ring key'.
For relevant keys I speak of an upper or lower 'pivot screw' (or more specifically 'point screw' or 'pivot point screw') or for the other keys, 'pivot rod'. Some people call these rods 'steels'.
The springs are either 'needle springs' or 'flat springs'.
I call the keys' support items 'posts'; others call them 'pillars'.
Other terms are 'tenon' (mouthpiece, barrel, centre, & bell), tenon sockets, 'reinforcing ring' (e.g. 'centre tenon socket reinforcing ring'), '(throat A) regulating screw'.
Other people will use different names. It does not matter what they are called as long as the terms are explicit without ambiguity.
It can be quite confusing with other woodwinds, for which some purists primarily refer to tone holes. E.g. on a flute this would mean that the F key is the one lifted from the first open tone hole in order to play F. Yet common, player-centred terminology would call this the E key because it is the one (of the row) closed to play E.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-06-06 00:24
Excellent & well-done. I would add that on #4 --- these are our Chromatic fingerings. Also, the lower "banana" is also referred to as the BIS key, I think.
Best,
mw.
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Author: Terry Horlick
Date: 2001-06-06 14:40
Ok, I got it now! Thanks!
Now, when I get my FB back there will be some new names... I understand the Eb/Ab LEVER, Eb/Bb key, and the articulated G#/C# key. But what will I call the additional banana" key and what is it's function? Again, what about the additional ring and it's function?
<img src="http://www.jps.net/horlick/clarinet.jpg" border="3">
BTW why didn't they put a left hand Eb/Bb lever? Is it because I will almost never use that key? When I played the horn before sending it out for overhaul I liked the alternate for the throat Bb (yes I usually use the side key one on my standard horns) so I assume an alterate access to that might have been desireable. I guess I will have to play it for a while to find out if I ever use it!
Terry
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-06-06 18:15
Terry, We [and I] have described Full Boehm keying a number of times, so a search of our BB archives will help. I notice in your descriptions the use of clarion note / chalemeau note rather, than as most of us do , the opposite. [Not difficult to analyze!] To try to answer the above ?s, the "new" lower joint bis [banana-sliver] key is as alternate to the C#/G# art., and much better for trilling using 1st or 2nd finger. The 7th ring [left 3rd Finger] is the "fork" of the Eb/Bb. When your cl is playable, you'll have fun with experimenting. Others, please add. Don
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Author: Bill
Date: 2001-06-11 22:23
I just received a copy of Saska's "Guide to Repairing Woodwinds". It has an exploded view of a clarinet (photo courtesy of the Selmer Company) that provides almost all the ID I was looking for. Too bad such a picture can't be put on a web page for reference.
PS: I ordered the book from Van Cott, a Sneezy sponsor. I am very pleased with their service, and how quickly I got the book.
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