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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2017-02-14 20:15
Reading through the text of the regulation, it sounds like I would need to obtain a permit to ship anything made of Grenadilla to another country. Am I correct in assuming this?
-Jdbassplayer
Post Edited (2017-02-14 20:34)
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Author: Matt74
Date: 2017-02-15 05:23
You need a permit.
From the forums above:
http://gabrielflutes.com/index.php?cid=13&lang=en
I spent some time reading about this on guitar and orchestra sites. It is evident that the regulations are complicated, and that compliance is difficult. There are issues regarding dates of harvesting, permitting, purchase of the instrument, identification of all species contained in the instrument, and repair of the instrument. There are the CITES regulations themselves, the regulations for individual countries, and even multi-level bureaucratic regulations in each country. For example in the US there is US law regarding CITES compliance, customs regulations, Fish and Wildlife, which ports you can depart and arrive with which permits, and you need to know all of the above in all countries you are traveling to. If the customs agent decides for some reason that your instrument doesn't comply with your "passport" none of that matters. All the confusion shows, there is no one place to find good information. If you really want to know exactly what to do you need a lawyer.
Notwithstanding the 10 kg exemption, it is clearly intended to be a ban. To get some idea of where this could go look up Pernambuco bows, bows with ivory, and rosewood guitars. Gibson was raided some time ago, and had wood confiscated which they had made every effort to make sure was legal. Orchestras have had bows confiscated, even though they tried to comply with regulations.
I wish that we could hear a clear statement from Buffet, Yamaha, Wurlitzur, Backun, and the rest on this matter (and Lorre, Fox, etc.) I believe that they have a responsibility to be advocates for music and musicians. What happens now and in the future will not only affect their business and our ability to travel with our horns, it also will have a real cultural impact. It is a shame that a member of a great orchestra should feel threatened because their antique instrument happens to contain a sliver of ivory or tortishell.
- Matthew Simington
Post Edited (2017-02-15 05:25)
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Author: wkleung
Date: 2017-02-15 18:23
I just bought an old Selmer clarinet from a US seller. There are unadvertised cracks and I need to send the clarinet back (form Hong Kong). Will my package be refused at customs?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2017-02-15 18:43
If you can supply a serial number that proves you have a pre-ban instrument, you should be fine.
Best bet is to ship some clearance document from your local authorities together with your instrument.
In any event, failing to enclose such paperwork with the instrument might get you into trouble.
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Ben
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Author: tommo84
Date: 2017-02-28 22:49
I will travel to US soon from Europe with my clarinet.
accordingly to this document
https://www.fws.gov/international/pdf/questions-and-answers-appendix-II-timber-listings-December-2016.pdf
at page 16, question 47, it is clearly stated that if we have an instrument under 10 kg we are fine.
Can you confirm that I will no trouble at the US border?
thanks
Tommaso
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Author: gwie
Date: 2017-03-02 00:40
No guarantees.
I just bought a clarinet from overseas and there is an additional cost and week of processing for the CITES paperwork.
Traveling with my violin hasn't been a problem, but as for the bow? I'm leaving my old French bow at home, and bringing my carbon fiber one with me!
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Author: dorjepismo ★2017
Date: 2017-03-03 17:42
Howarth goes into some detail on how it affects shipping in and out of the EU, and there will indeed be an additional cost: http://www.howarth.uk.com/cites_outside_eu.aspx.
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