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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2017-02-05 20:35
At one time in past Buffet marked their barrels with 1131 for a Bb and 1231 for a key of A. Does anyone know if the bores of these two differently marked barrels are the same.
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Author: ldrs
Date: 2017-02-06 10:25
I don't know that barrels but in general the difference between a Bb and an A barrel is the long or lenght, a Bb clarinet barrel is usually 64 mm and the A is usually 66mm. The other values are practically equal.
siulldrs@icloud.com
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Author: GBK
Date: 2017-02-06 10:50
ldrs wrote:
> I don't know that barrels but in general the difference
> between a Bb and an A barrel is the long or lenght,
> a Bb clarinet barrel is usually 64 mm and the A is usually 66mm.
> The other values are practically equal.
Not correct.
The standard issued Buffet Bb barrel is 66mm.
The standard issued Buffet A barrel is 65mm.
...GBK
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2017-02-06 11:47
This particular barrel is marked 1231 660 and is a Moennig. Would this work on a Bb.
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Author: ldrs
Date: 2017-02-06 14:41
The A barrel must be larger than Bb. The normal scope of a Bb is 63-65 mm and of an A is 65-67. The middle is 64 y 66 but this depends on many factores including player and environmental factors. I know a Bb clarinetist that has a 67mm as barrel and is happy.
siulldrs@icloud.com
Post Edited (2017-02-06 14:52)
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Author: kdk
Date: 2017-02-06 18:10
Clarineteer wrote:
> This particular barrel is marked 1231 660 and is a Moennig.
> Would this work on a Bb.
When I ordered a dozen barrels from Morrie Backun several years ago, I found that they weren't identified as A or Bb barrels. The phone rep I talked to told me that they don't make them for one or the other - you need to try the barrels on whatever instrument you're trying to match a barrel to and pick the one that plays the best.
The Buffets Bb clarinets that I've seen - not recently but not too many years back - come standard with a 66 mm barrel in the U.S.. I've read here that the ones sold in Europe may be packed with shorter barrels to accommodate the higher pitch many European orchestras favor. Both my Buffet A clarinet (from the 1960s) and my Selmer 10G A (modeled very closely on the R13) came packed with 65 mm barrels. Again, clarinets sold in Europe may be fitted with shorter barrels than those meant for U.S. use.
That said, a barrel identified as an A 66 mm and one identified as Bb 66 mm are not supposed to be the same. The intended difference is in the bore, the A bore being, as I understand, narrower. But with wood barrels (not ones lined with hard rubber) the dimensions are not always stable, and if you actually measure half a dozen barrels of the same designation by the same manufacturer, you'll probably find half a dozen different sets of dimensions. Keep in mind, the R13-style Buffet barrels are also reverse tapered, so you have variation possible in both the entry bore and the exit bore.
The bottom line, IMO, is that you probably would be better off ignoring what the number means. If it plays in tune on your Bb clarinet, it works. If it distorts any part of the scale, then it doesn't, whether or not it was made to used with a Bb or an A.
Just as an aside, the Moennig barrels I have are actually identified as A or B. I've never seen one with a coded designation. I wonder when they changed.
Karl
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Author: RKing
Date: 2017-02-06 19:55
Clarineteer wrote:
> This particular barrel is marked 1231 660 and is a Moennig.
> Would this work on a Bb.
My R-13 Barrel is marked "R 13 B 660". It is 66mm long and is the stock barrel for my Bb R-13 horn.
It sounds like you have a 66mm Moennig barrel. I agree with Karl, it wouldn't hurt to try it out and see how well it works.
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Author: Michael E. Shultz
Date: 2017-02-07 01:47
My Bb Buffet Festival came with 2 barrels, 65 mm and 66mm. They are marked 650 and 660.
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