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Author: KSCop
Date: 2017-01-13 02:13
OK, I'm going to show my ignorance here..
In looking for pads for my Signet Soloist, the chart I have says to use 10mm G & A pads for the #1 key.
Not having the rest of the book the chart came from, I'm not entirely certain what the #1 key is, but in my normal disassembly order this would be the register key.
That is question #1 I suppose.
The other is; what in the world is a G and A pad? I see Ferrees has a G&A Pad in 10.5 mm but I'd like to know what they are and in any case, the spec is for a 10mm..
A little confused..
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2017-01-13 04:06
I've repaired a few Signet Soloists and I'm confused as well. Most of the upper joint pads should be the same size. No bigger than 10mm. I probably use smaller pads. I can't remember if the F# ring key is the same size or smaller. I have a Selmer parts list with diagrams but I'm not currently at work.
Steve Ocone
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-01-13 05:48
10mm, depends on the year.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2017-01-13 05:49)
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Author: KSCop
Date: 2017-01-13 06:08
I'm sure it's 10mm. I'm just wondering what key they are saying is #1 and what a G&A Pad is.
I've re-padded a few Signet 100's and just used 'normal' pads..
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2017-01-13 09:14
It is probably some type of pad, maybe synthetic. The #1 key is probably the register key. This is half guessing just because it is common to use a different type of pad for the register key, especially when the other keys have bladder pads which are not so great for the register key.
I will probably be able to find what G&A really mean and let you know. OTOH it doesn't matter at all
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Author: KSCop
Date: 2017-01-13 09:15
Attachment: G&A Pad.jpg (4k)
This is the G&A Pad at Ferrees. The looks of it makes me think it's for the register key, but it's only in 10.5 mm from them.
Still confused but here's a pic..
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-01-13 19:57
Call them, JJ Smith, ask for the tech dept. I'm sure it's 10mm's. I'd put a cork pad on the register key. I would probably use the green Valentino pads; these are more expensive pads, but well worth it. Also they come in different thicknesses. Get the medium ones.
I like the service better there. 800 659-6073 I think. Look them up to be sure. They carry an assortment of pads from poor quality to leather pads, and even cork pads which are decent, Some cork pads are too hard and clank when they hit the key holes. Often I make my own cork pads from really soft cork from wine bottles. It's the best type to use, but they can have a lot of holes in them. If you are daring use cork pads on the upper register. Be patient. Buy some nail files and 1000 grit sandpaper to even out the pads when you try to seal them. If done correctly you will get a one minute seal when you lift your finger off the keys and you will hear that pop. You won't have to replace the pads for 10 to 20 years, if you use softer cork such as from JJ Smith. Some of the pads may take an hour to do. Each cork pad sadly has to be cut and shaped to each key. You also need razor blades to cut every cork pad to size. 3 or 4 will be plenty. They can get dull and tear the cork.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2017-01-16 08:47)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2017-01-13 23:06
OK the G&A pads are just some synthetic pads. You can ignore the "chart" anyway. You're in luck... it doesn't matter. It's probably just to suggest a non-bladder pad for the register key, which is a good idea, but you can put any pad you prefer there too.
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2017-01-15 08:12
G&A pads were used by Selmer. It was a synthetic pad white/brown in color. They worked well. They used them on their oboes quite a lot and also on Mark VI neck pads.
jbutler
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Author: KSCop
Date: 2017-01-15 12:28
I decided to go with Lucien Deluxe pads on the Soloist.
The G&A Pads were recommended by Selmer, but I have a hunch the Lucien's will be just fine..
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-01-16 08:54
These Selmer pads were made by Lenny Gullotta who is now passed away for many years. He made these out of his garage! How do I know this? He wanted to sell the business to me for $50,000, back in the 1980's. I just couldn't do it. Maybe $20,000. If I bought it, I'd still be paying off the bill. A nice and talented man, but he was out of his mind asking this much.
For those that don't know Lenny, he made an extended lower A clarinet joint with extra keys for David Shifrin so David could play the Mozart Concerto in its full version. I think David was the first person to record this piece the way Mozart wrote it. This was done in the 1980's and it was done incredibly well by David. It remains one of my favorite recordings. He was using Selmers then.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2017-01-16 09:11)
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