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Author: locke9342
Date: 2016-11-13 03:35
I've run across a barrel that apparently has had a crack "sealed", would that affect its quality? How much would it depreciate its value?
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2016-11-13 03:49
It will play exactly the same, but the value is significantly reduced.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-11-13 03:58
Is it a normal barrel with metal socket rings or one without?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-11-13 04:10
There's nothing to stop it cracking again then.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: locke9342
Date: 2016-11-13 04:15
apparently " The entire barrel is wrapped in protective covering, preventing any future cracks"
I'll try and get it cheap
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-11-13 04:19
Sockets always need the additional support of a socket ring (metal or carbon fibre) otherwise the outward pressure of the tenon cork within the socket can still crack them no matter how thick the wood is.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2016-11-13 19:33
What is special about it that makes you want to work so hard to get it?
Karl
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2016-11-14 03:58
Just had dinner a few days ago with Steve Barta, the former principal player with the Baltimore Sym. His horn had been fixed 11 times from cracks! He still uses the horn and he feels it is tighter now, meaning that the bore is tight and won't expand. Frankly, I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense on so many levels. The idea of keeping the bores tight and to the proper measurements. He has a few sets of horns, this one is from the 1960's.
I'd be inclined to have the barrel pinned to keep it stable, as Steve did to his horns, if the barrel is that special. To prevent the barrel from warping. Just a thought to consider. If you aren't in love with the barrel, don't worry about it, but have it filled to prevent it from leaking. Often cracks will get much worse in the winter seasons.
I tend to look at horns as one complete unit, from the bell all the way to the reed and the actual ligature you use. So we don't have the clarinet, then the barrel of choice and then the mouthpiece you are using, the type of reed(s) and ligatures. It's a complete special unit which makes you sound the very best.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: locke9342
Date: 2016-11-14 07:17
There's not much special about it, I just may be able to get it really cheap. But it is a Fobes barrel and I've always wanted one.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-11-14 10:35
Socket cracks are far more detrimental than top joint cracks as socket cracks will cause a leak due to the thinner wood and the cracks will open up the full thickness of the socket wall and run past the base of the socket where the leak will occur.
Why makers have recently gone to ringless barrels and bells is going against the structural needs of the instrument. All sockets on wooden instruments need reinforcement to guard against them cracking.
Some may be lucky and not have a ringless wooden barrel crack if the tenon cork has been made to fit like a slide, but a much wider tenon cork will exert outward pressure within the socket to put it under stress and wood will always crack at its weakest point which is along the grain lines.
There are barrels that look like ringless ones but they have metal or carbon fibre socket rings hidden under the decorative wooden rings of either the same wood or a contrasting wood.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2016-11-14 17:31
I have a boxwood barrel that leaked through a knot. Kalmen Opperman, who made it, sealed the grain with liquid superglue, which fixed the problem. That would be a good addition to any pin or ring. Also, Clark Forbes should be your first resource. He's very concerned about his products.
Ken Shaw
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Author: modernicus
Date: 2016-11-20 18:52
The one you are talking about looks like it has been carbon fiber banded to me.
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