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Author: Agomongo
Date: 2016-10-16 13:06
Hey guys so I was wondering about Vade Mecum. I'm in college and I know that Vade Mecum is meant for people who don't have a lot of time to practice. So how long would it take to do exercise 1, 2, and 3? I was thinking if it took under 30 min then I could incorporate it into my warm up.
For my warm up:
1. Dan Gilbert's Bel Canto
2. Alessandro's Tone interval studies (pages 1-12)
3. Chromatic Scale for 5 minutes
4. Entire Klose scales
5. Entire Klose 3rds
6. Keywork (like Steivenard or Kroepsch, however more for tone rather than finger speed)
The whole thing takes about 30 minutes.
Also, what tempos is the Vade Mecum exercise #2 and #3 meant to be at? Same as exercise #1?
I've also thought about instead of having the chromatic scale being worked on for 5 minutes I would just to the entire chromatic scale from 60-160 in triplets then be done with it. Going up in intervals of 10
Thanks!
Post Edited (2016-10-16 13:10)
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2016-10-19 05:44
It's hard to answer your question with specificity without knowing your overarching goals...for me that's a lot of the same types of work loaded into the first portion of the day (but that's just me).
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So how long would it take to do exercise 1, 2, and 3? I was thinking if it took under 30 min then I could incorporate it into my warm up.
How long would it take you to learn it? Or how long would it take you to play it once it's learned? In reality no one can tell you. It doesn't take long to play once it's learned, which leads to...
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Also, what tempos is the Vade Mecum exercise #2 and #3 meant to be at? Same as exercise #1?
As fast as you can play it without sacrificing ease and accuracy.
Reading between the lines, and perhaps I'm incorrect, but your post reads a lot like you do this stuff because it's supposed to be done...as opposed to doing it for a specific reason and then once that reason is resolved it's finished. Does that make sense?
James
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Author: Agomongo
Date: 2016-10-19 05:55
Odd I'm not getting email notifications to replies :/
Anyway, from what I've read I thought this book wasn't meant to be worked on. I thought the point of this book was to just play it. It reads in the intro, "is to prepare instrumentalists in a very short space of time (about 1/2 hour) when, due to their occupations, they are not able to devote the time necessary for developed exercises..."
I'm working on evening out my technique and I intend to use the book on how JeanJean want it to be used as. A high intensive technique either that's meant to be played under 30 min.
@clarinetist04
Not a good time to be asking him questions when he's a symphony player (and recent events that are non of our business) soon to be playing dozens of Nutcracker shows for a month straight. Also, not sure if he's every played Vade-Mecum. He has a lot on his plate right now. I have no need to be bombarding him with extra questions when I can very well ask other people for help and let him focus on his 23 other students and his job.
Post Edited (2016-10-19 06:03)
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2016-10-19 06:02
IMHO if you can just play it, without having to develop it, then you should:
1. Use it specifically to develop another technique or improve a fundamental skill OR
2. Do something else that actually improves a technique or develops a fundamental skill.
James
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Author: Agomongo
Date: 2016-10-19 06:06
Tobin wrote:
> IMHO if you can just play it, without having to develop it,
> then you should:
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> 1. Use it specifically to develop another technique or improve
> a fundamental skill OR
> 2. Do something else that actually improves a technique or
> develops a fundamental skill.
>
> James
>
True however I don't know if I can. Sorry to sound like I did I actually didn't mean to sound that way. The problem is I have NO idea if I can play it with ease, because the other part of my question was the fingering aspect. JeanJean is quite hard to understand when he gives a small blurb on the fingerings that he wants used.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2016-10-19 13:46
Agomongo: no one can answer the questions you have, only you can answer them. If you re-read my posts you'll see that I think the exercise is more valuable IF you have to develop it. Practicing isn't just playing exercises that can be played.
As far as JeanJean and translation -- you have Google Translate and online dictionaries. You could search to see if anyone has posted a translation. Some of us didn't have those luxuries.
Good luck!
James
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Author: Ed
Date: 2016-10-19 19:43
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Practicing isn't just playing exercises that can be played.
There is a certain amount of repetition is our practice. I think that most people have some regular exercises and scales that they play often.
I would suggest playing as much of the Vade Mecum as you can at whatever tempo you can handle. As time allows, add exercises and increase the tempo to the marked tempo. It is a great workout and really works all the different fingers with some tricky exercises.
Here is a list of the translations and key symbols that someone posted before that may be of help:
gauche = left; M.G. = L.H.
droite = right; M.D. = R.H.
sans = without
lâcher = release
clé = key
soulever = raise
pouce = thumb
et = and
ni = not
As best I can tell:
1 = LH E/B
2 = LH F#/C#
3 = RH F/C
4 = RH G#/D#
5 = RH sliver Bnat/F#
6 = LH C#/G#
7 = RH 1st (lowest) side key
7 bis = LH sliver D#/A#
8 = RH 2nd side key
9 = LH throat G#
10 = LH throat A
10 bis = RH 3rd side key
11 = RH 4th side key
12 = LH thumb register key
A = RH E/B
diamond shape = LH thumb tonehole
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Author: Agomongo
Date: 2016-10-19 19:54
Ed wrote:
> Quote:
Practicing isn't just playing exercises that can be
> played.
>
>
> There is a certain amount of repetition is our practice. I
> think that most people have some regular exercises and scales
> that they play often.
>
> I would suggest playing as much of the Vade Mecum as you can at
> whatever tempo you can handle. As time allows, add exercises
> and increase the tempo to the marked tempo. It is a great
> workout and really works all the different fingers with some
> tricky exercises.
>
> Here is a list of the translations and key symbols that someone
> posted before that may be of help:
>
> gauche = left; M.G. = L.H.
> droite = right; M.D. = R.H.
> sans = without
> lâcher = release
> clé = key
> soulever = raise
> pouce = thumb
> et = and
> ni = not
>
> As best I can tell:
> 1 = LH E/B
> 2 = LH F#/C#
> 3 = RH F/C
> 4 = RH G#/D#
> 5 = RH sliver Bnat/F#
> 6 = LH C#/G#
> 7 = RH 1st (lowest) side key
> 7 bis = LH sliver D#/A#
> 8 = RH 2nd side key
> 9 = LH throat G#
> 10 = LH throat A
> 10 bis = RH 3rd side key
> 11 = RH 4th side key
> 12 = LH thumb register key
> A = RH E/B
> diamond shape = LH thumb tonehole
This is the exact answer I was looking for. Thank you!
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Author: Ed
Date: 2016-10-19 22:58
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Glad to help. The Vade Mecum is a great workout. Be careful to play it precisely and cleanly.
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