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Author: Cass Hill
Date: 2001-05-22 12:56
I don't know about the rest of you but I don't have time to read all the threads on this forum. I am much more likely to read a thread if the title gives me a clue what it's about. If it just says "Help!" or something else very vague then almost always I skip it. Maybe other people are doing this too. I think the most clear and specific titles interest people more and would get more replies.
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Author: Anji
Date: 2001-05-22 13:43
Do keep in mind that there are some pretty young posters on this site.
Most of them are likely to tie up your time on problems that will either solve themselves through more practice, or don't actually exist.
How many 12 year-olds really need to sort through mouthpieces choices to find "The perfect orchestral sound", anyway?
I'm with you, if it isn't something pertinent, then it won't hit my screen.
Wanna bet the amount of this sort of traffic drops off in a few weeks?
When does middle school close for the summer?
If I see another "What's this moldy horn worth?" question, I will scream (sort of like watching hockey, only less for fun).
I watch for the postings of other B.O.F. members, like myself.
I'm most interested in the plight of adult beginners (like me!), and earnest parents trying to sort through all the equipment hype.
Not that I have any claim to fame, but some of the same pitfalls wait for all of us.
anji
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Author: Ginny
Date: 2001-05-22 15:09
I think Mark does an excellent job of walking the fine line between over control
and chaos. I get the impression that limiting the rules to a few really fundemental
ones helps get kids to post their questions.
I am sure that in a perfect world everyone would spell beautifully, use correct grammer and
post concise headers. I am also sure if this header issue was resolved (its just as
bad in other groups, or worse) some other complaint would come up, on the proper
way to post and the job of moderating would become even more difficult with new 'no-nos.'
I usually skip those sorts of posts, until they get 10 or more responses. Then they
are usually worth looking at.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-05-22 16:02
As on any list, the amount of useful information should be almost directly proportional to the thread title, except ...
There's some of us who go through every blessed post because some newcomers don't actually know how to write a good title yet ...
Sometimes it's written by someone who is 10 or 12 years old (or occasionally younger) and I'm incredibly happy they're using the Internet for one of the original purposes it was designed for ...
Sometimes the qustions posed have been answered somewhere here before, but some people are afraid to use a search feature, not knowing how to limit the responses. Educating them will help their future interactions here and elsewhere on the Web ...
Where else on the Web can you get the history of your clarinet answered (if it's available in The New Langwill) if not here...
I am intolerant of postings that are "trolls" (like the HS STUDENT!). This is a relatively friendly place where people can share their joys, their trials and tribulations, with like-minded people. Yes, sometimes the posts sound suspiciously like bragging, but when you're in a situation where no one in your circle of friends or relatives really realizes just how much time and effort goes in to making "simple" music, coming here and spouting off on how happy you are in doing "X" competition or getting "Y" chair is a fun thing.
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Author: Jenn
Date: 2001-05-22 19:54
Very well said Mark! This is the only place where most of us can find others who love the clarinet as much as we do, and I just want to add that you're doing a great job with the bulletin board and sneezy in general, and sorry if I'm occasionally one who makes and irrelevant post, I really appreciate this site!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-05-22 20:34
Jenn wrote:
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> sorry if I'm
> occasionally one who makes and irrelevant post,
Oh, we're all irrelvant one time or another ... just ask my kids ;^)
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Author: Lbh
Date: 2001-05-23 03:06
<< Yes, sometimes the posts sound suspiciously like bragging, but when you're in a situation where no one in your circle of friends or relatives really realizes just how much time and effort goes in to making "simple" music, coming here and spouting off on how happy you are in doing "X" competition or getting "Y" chair is a fun thing. >>
Marc ~ Thanks for writing this.. Whenever I have an audition or something, and I do well, or don't do well.. I try to talk to my friends etc, they always call me a showoff, or goody goody, or it's just like " Oh, you always do well, blah, i cannot stand it.. " I have never gotten a positive comment from them. However when I post on this board, I get positive feedback, words of congratulations and good jobs. You all understand how much work goes into playing a piece, and while " That sounds soo easy " it really isn't..
Thanks !
Laurieee
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Author: Sara
Date: 2001-05-23 03:07
Hey whats wrong with high school students, I'm a high school student! I think or at least that applies to a certain group of high school students, I try and ask legitamate questions but the question I ask here are, well at least some of them are things I don't want to ask my teacher because I'm either too embarrased or I don't want to waste my lesson time talking(even though we end upndoing that anyways, stretching the 30 minute lesson to a hour and half sometimes even two hours). Anyways thats a very stereotypical thing to say, not all high school students are the same!
Sara
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Author: David Kinder
Date: 2001-05-23 03:40
Sara, You didn't understand Mark when he wrote that. If you look at one of the older posts (one page back) you'll find a stupid post by HS STUDENT. If you want to know what Mark is talking about, read the post threads of this immature teenager who doesn't have much to brag about on this board.
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Author: Fred R
Date: 2001-05-23 04:51
Another problem with vague titles is that it impedes the search funtion for someone trying to find information at a later date, especially if your trying to use qualifying operatives. You generaly have to search message bodies and you can get many irrelevant hits or no hits at all. We should all try to make our titles consise and infomative and also think of them as search thread.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-05-23 11:56
Many different issues have been thrown around in this thread, most of veering from the original one. Going back and rereading it....
Surely we have not got so hypersensitive that we can no longer ENCOURAGE young people (and the not so young) from time to time to modify a way of doing something for the benefit of both themselves and all others concerned.
The original post was carefully worded not to be critical, and everything in it is more factual than emotional. It was not even so extravagant as to make a suggestion. It just said things the way they were, and left it for the thinking reader to consider such things.
It is a mighty confusing world if people cannot help eachother in matters of appropriateness. Imagine how many more mistakes all of us would make if we did not have even gentle hints from others on possibilities for avoiding mistakes.
In any life situation there are not-so-appropriate behaviour patterns to try to avoid. I frequently mix with young people and really appreciate it when they update me on mores of appropriateness.
I see nothing wrong at all with a gentle reminder to at least THINK about the appropriateness of post titles.
An appropriate response to the original post might be to think, "Thanks for informing me. I had not noticed the significance of title selection. I'll try to think more carefully next time"
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-05-23 12:53
Gordon (NZ) wrote:
> Surely we have not got so hypersensitive that we can no longer
> ENCOURAGE young people (and the not so young) from time to time
> to modify a way of doing something for the benefit of both
> themselves and all others concerned.
From over 20 years experience on the Internet, newsgroups, and mailing lists:
You can ask all you want - it ain't gonna happen. It'd be nice, though.
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Author: Steve
Date: 2001-05-24 03:19
AAhh, but Mark I think you're wrong (in part).
Encouragement and improvement definately happens here!!
Case in point... LIZZY! Once she really understood that the kind people here really were trying to help her and give good advice, she used the advice and said thanks. Hope she is back soon...
You may not be able to ever stop it, that is true. Such it is with mentoring. The newbies will always make newbie errors. If one chooses to help, then there must be constructive criticism. We can only try to do it nicely...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-05-24 17:21
Anji, I'm not sure how to take that comment - hopefully you are looking forward to more questions from eager students who are looking for good answers - more because they have time now to get on the BBoard.
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