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Author: ashleycaryn1
Date: 2011-08-30 19:16
I have a F. Arthur Uebel clarinet (B) serial number 14924 in excellent condition in its original case with two mouthpieces (one wooden with string markings to tighten the reed). The clarinet has not been played since 1960 and has been kept in a cupboard which has helped to preserve the instrument.
As I am not a clarinet player I have decided to sell it or swap it for a tenor sax or reasonable renown (brand).
Any suggestions on its approximate value. I can forward photos. As it is a collectors instrument, what would be the best way of disposing of it?
Your help will be most appreciated!
Dr. Myles Wakeham
Cape Town
South Africa
samba@telkomsa.net
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Author: kenb
Date: 2011-08-31 01:13
Is it an Oehler system? Any model designation?
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Author: Hansdenijs (---.adsl.wanadoo.nl)
Date: 2006-05-19 14:57
Roughly spoken the original F.A. Uebel soloist model clarinets in Oehler system (till serialnumber 17900, till 1963) are of top quality (quality and tuning) and still highly appreciated in Germany with second hand prices from 4000 - 6000 euros.
The clarinets made afterwards (in DDR times, other serial number system as described in the other postings) are - sorry for the owners- of mediocre quality and not used professionally. For owners with serialnumbers 7600- 17900 i can give youy the year of building.
Hans
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2011-08-31 13:45
I would take slight issue with Hans on the DDR-era F.A. Uebel clarinets being mediocre; I have a Boehm-system F.A. Uebel from that era and although it's not quite up to the workmanship standard of my pre-DDR Oehler-system Uebel, the later instrument is very nice anyway, good sound and even intonation. I checked the serial numbers on my two clarinets and they are both much higher numbers than that of the original poster's.
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Author: ashleycaryn1
Date: 2011-08-31 21:07
Yes it is an Oehler system. I can provide a photo if need be
Regards
Dr, Myles Wakeham
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Author: Hansdenijs
Date: 2011-09-03 06:40
My posting from 2006 which is cited in this thread is in my opinion still valid. The indicated price range 4000-6000 euro's is based on a complete A/B-flat set, full Oehler soloist modell in (very) good condition, of course only valid for "real" F. A. Uebel instruments, made under the supervision of F.A. Uebel himself (serialnumber < 17900)
Your instrument is in any case from a very good period (1956) with low E/F improvement.
The decline of the firm F.A. Uebel started after his death in 1963. The history of the firm has been described in detail in the forum of the museum of Markneukirchen/Germany (mainly in German language) - see Website.
My advice for selling is to contact the firm "Die Holzbläser" in Berlin (website available with a published list of secondhand clarinets in all price ranges (also original F.A. Uebel clarinets). Contact Mr. Reichle (conversation in English is no problem). He is an expert in the field of the German clarinet and knows the market very well.
Success!
Hans
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Author: ashleycaryn1
Date: 2011-09-07 22:05
Dear Hans
Thank you for your quick response and sound advice. I will contact Mr. Reichle and come back to you when I have made contact.
Fond regards
Dr. Mylels Wakeham
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Author: kenb
Date: 2011-09-07 23:18
Interesting... could you post a photo of this instrument?
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Author: ashleycaryn1
Date: 2012-01-30 15:09
Hi there
I have been out of circulation hence my lack of response. Do you still want a photograph of the instrument?
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2012-02-15 19:23
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I was lucky these days to find a Oehler system F.Arthur Uebel clarinet in Bb , serial No. 17196, at an auction site. It is in an unrestored but intact condition.
Hansdenijs: I would much appreciate if you could tell me, as offered in your posting from 2006, this instrument’s year of building and, if possible, any other informations.
I attach some pictures of this Uebel Clarinet and, besides, a picture of R.Arthur Uebel from an earlier publication by Enrico Weller, Musikinstrumentenmuseum Markneukirchen. Dr. Weller just scanned this article from “Rohrblatt” 1994 for me, and I’m sure he would be glad to send you a copy on demand.
Dr. Michael Woernle, Wunstorf, Germany
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Author: Hansdenijs
Date: 2012-02-27 07:49
Good morning,
Your original F.A. Übel clarinet is built in the period 1960-1961. As can be seen the instrument needs restoration. I wish you a lot of pleasure with this instrument (i hope for you that no major faults or damage on bore, wood or keywork exist) For details about the history of the F. A. Übel company: see the article of Dr Weller as probably known to you. (Rohrblatt, German magazine)
Best regards,
Hans
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2012-02-27 18:19
Hans, thank you very much for this information. So I can date my new-old Uebel clarinet more precisely. Perhaps you also know the thread concerning Uebel- clarinets in the Markneukirchen forum where Enrico Weller describes the Uebel phases.
Indeed my Uebel needs , as you could see, a general overhaul. I am glad, however, that it seems structurally sound and without any serious damage. I'll look for a qualified repair shop; I suppose that e.g. Herr Reichle of Die Holzbläser might be a prime address.
Goedenavond. Michael
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Author: ashleycaryn1
Date: 2016-07-21 13:35
Hi there
I still have the F. Arthur Uebel clarinet (B) serial number 14924 which is still in excellent condition in its original case with two mouthpieces (one wooden with string markings to tighten the reed). As stated before the clarinet has not been played since 1960 and has been kept in a cupboard which has helped to preserve the instrument. There are no cracks in the instrument and has not been touched since 2006. Is there still a market for the instrument and if so will your estimated price still be the same e.g. Euro 4000 - 6000?
As it is a collectors instrument, what would be the best way of disposing of it to a person who would value such a clarinet?
Your help once again will be most appreciated!
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Author: James S
Date: 2016-07-21 21:03
If you want to unload a 1960s-80s FA Uebel, get in touch with a German clarinet workshop. There are some players over there that really value the old Uebel's unique, narrow bore (especially in the ex-DDR).
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2016-07-27 20:14
As mentioned in earlier postings Uebel clarinets till about 1962 (#17900) are highly esteemed here; prices of 4000 to 6000 Euros for a single instrument however or even for an A/Bb set wouldn't seem realistic: my four Uebels from that time ranged from about 100* to 1300 Euros (from eBay) unrestored plus about 600 Euros for a general overhaul. Actual second hand offers you could find here:
https://www.vioworld.de/musikermarkt/entry/list/both/category/16/
"Die Holzbläser" in Berlin are purchasing used instruments, also on consignment:
http://www.holzblaeser.com/
*This one is quite nice, but not an Oehler system, but a 5 ring 20 key model
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