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Author: clarimad
Date: 2016-07-15 23:13
I have a pair of 1977 Emperors that have Emperor inscribed on each bell but not on the top sections. They each have nickel plated keywork and not the usual silver plated keywork. Any comments?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-07-15 23:30
It's most likely an Edgware but with an Emperor bell.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-07-18 08:30
Most Edgware's I've seen, if not all, have 'Edgware' stamped on the top joint too.
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-07-18 08:39
Symphony 1010s, Imperial 926s, Emperors, Edgwares and Regents all have different tenon/socket rings - flat, scalloped and ringed.
1010s and 926s have flat tenon rings, Emperors have scalloped (2 edges) and Edgwares and Regents have ringed (3 or 4 ring indentations).
I could link images of each but don't have the time, sorry.
Anyway, that's the sure-fire way to ID a B&H variant.
Post Edited (2016-07-18 08:41)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-07-18 10:14
Photo will help identify what you have, so try to post some on here if you can.
Some Edgwares never carried any logos on the top joint nor bell - only the barrel had the logo (globe/stave) and the joints had the serial number and lower joint stamped 'Made in England' on the back by the lower joint socket ring.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarimad
Date: 2016-07-19 00:20
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Ive attached photos of the bells which have quite unusual, to me anyway, inscriptions. The top joint logo of one of the pair is shown as is the serial number. The barrels both have the globe and stave inscribed.8
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2016-07-19 03:05
These date from 1959 and look very much like transitional Emperors.
The later Emperors had the scalloped rings on all sections but in the 1940s/50s the Emperors had the conventional French style rings.
However most Emperors in the early - mid 50s had a fully rodded mechanism (no point screws) and an ornate engraved flourishing bell inscription.
Your bells show the later standard Emperor inscription but with the older style rings.
Out of interest does your instrument have rods throughout or screws. And if screws are they the proper point screws of the later barrel screws?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-07-19 03:25
Yeah, these are definitely '50s B&H clarinets and not from the '70s.
What serial number list did you check?
The majority of B&H serial number lists published online are around twenty years out, so add another twenty years to the age of the instrument and you're in a reasonable ballpark.
I'm not sure where the info was taken from or who supplied it, but it's false information that has been going around since long before I first went online (mid '90s) and it was incorrect then and still no-one has made any attempt to correct it.
For a far more accurate list, consult this one:
http://www.clarinetperfection.com/clsnBH.htm
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarimad
Date: 2016-07-19 10:24
The screws are pointed and not the barrel ones Norman refers to. None are the long rod type seen on 1010s.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2016-07-19 21:56
Yes I think you really do have the transitional Emperor model.
When the Imperial and Emperor models were introduced in 1946 they both had conventional pointscrews in all the usual places.
Sometime around early 50s the Imperial and Emperor were both fitted with rods similar to the 1010s.
This only lasted for a few years and the Imperial was again fitted with point screws.
The Emperor, originally an almost exact high quality clone of the Imperial, was gradually downgraded to a cheaper mechanism and even eventually as a plastic model.
So fortunately yours dates from a time before the major downgrade was completed.
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