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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2016-06-29 21:22
Hey guys! Quick question about the bass clarinet part.
The treble clef measures, are they transposed as a M2 or M9? (I.E., play 8va or like normal bass clarinet treble clef?)
Thanks!
p.s. I wish that this was more standardized!
Ron Ford
Woodwind Specialist
Performer/Teacher/Arranger
http://www.RonFordMusic.com
Post Edited (2016-06-29 21:22)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2016-06-29 22:48
I'm sure when I played it a few years ago, I read it as though they were normal clarinet fingerings like "normal bass clarinet treble clef" - i.e. a ninth higher than sounding. Looking at the score, it wouldn't make sense for it to sound only a step lower - it would then be above the soprano clarinet parts. All three double the violin parts, and the bass clarinet part doubles the lowest violin voice.
Karl
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Author: rmk54
Date: 2016-06-30 03:14
I have a transposed (to treble clef) part if you are interested.
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Author: concertmaster3
Date: 2016-06-30 06:32
I'm an oddball that actually prefers bass clarinet in bass clef.
Ron Ford
Woodwind Specialist
Performer/Teacher/Arranger
http://www.RonFordMusic.com
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-06-30 08:58
The treble clef bits are played an 8ve higher than written.
With German bass clarinet notation, the written notes all sound a tone lower when played on a Bb bass (and a minor 3rd lower on an A bass).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2016-07-01 17:14
Chris is right about the German notation but some composers never understood that and i believe Rocky was one of them. I'll be home late tonight and I'll check my parts but I'm pretty you do not go up the octave in his orchestral musi when he goes from bass to treble clef. I'll confirm that later. A perfect example of getting it wrong is in Stravinsky's Petruska. I believe it's in his orignal version, where he has one passage on page one, in the bass clef and then he repeats it a short time later in treble clef but it's meant to be played the same way. I learned that the hard way in my first year with the BSO, in 1963, when the conductor stopped and told me i was playing it wrong when I went up the octave in the treble clef. It sounds weird as soon as i started playing it. I was young. Stravinsky, Rocky and a few others never understood the difference between the French, all in treble clef sounding an octave lower than written, and German notation, in bass clef going to the treble for the high notes having to read it an octave higher. There are a few others that didn't get it right but I can't think of them now. Wagner, Franck, Dukas, Strauss and some others always got it right, Rocky didn't. (There's a passage in his symphony #2 that the bass clarinet would be playing higher than the clarinet if you took it up the octave.)
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2016-07-02 07:54
Yep, look at number 79 in the last movement. Taking that up an octave would be a Bb in the highest extreme register. I think this proves my point. First mov't at number 4 should be played as written, same as just after number 21. I've played it many times and recorded it with the BSO. Like i said, he never got the rule right. Sorry! Rule of thumb because some lesser known composers don't get it right either. Use commom sense. If it looks or sounds stupid, it probably is.
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