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Author: maxopf
Date: 2016-06-14 02:57
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I can't seem to flutter tongue without moving my embouchure and leaking a lot of air (which sometimes causes the note to squeak). When I use my normal embouchure and air support, I can't seem to get the flutter going.
The piece I'm working on right now (for a concert in a week — just got the music a couple of days ago) requires me to be able to switch back and forth from flutter tonguing to a straight tone in the middle of a note, as well as to be able to gliss at the top of the 2nd register while fluttering, neither of which I can do well. I'm going to have a lesson with my private teacher tomorrow to work on it, but if anyone has any advice, please let me know.
(I've attached images of a couple of the flutter tonguing spots)
Post Edited (2016-06-14 02:58)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2016-06-14 04:28
Try fluttering with only the left or right side of your tongue. I can flutter fine on the left, but not at all on the right.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2016-06-14 05:39
I think of it more like a growl. It's too far back for me to define a side.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: maxopf
Date: 2016-06-14 08:44
I discovered that a guttural "ch" (as in Bach) will work fine for now, except when I have to play a fluttered "air tone" in the piece, in which case I have to switch to a rolled R. Eventually I'll work on being able to do the rolled R all the time, since it sounds better.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2016-06-14 17:30
I flutter tonguing in my throat like when I used to gargle as a kid when I had a soar throat. It's hard to describe in print if you've never don't it before.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: DSMUSIC1
Date: 2016-06-17 18:18
Below is a link to my channel with a flutter tonguing tutorial.
I keep everything to the front of my mouth with very fast but not forced air.
If you force the airstream, you will lock your tongue right up.
Hope this helps you.
Dennis Strawley
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCszz66I824V7EyXu49bSb_Q
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Author: maxopf
Date: 2016-06-17 21:53
@Ed Palanker, that's what I ended up doing, at least for now. It's much easier for me to flutter like that, especially in the altissimo.
There are a couple spots where I have to flutter an "air tone," i.e. blowing through the clarinet with no sound. In those spots, I just transition to rolling my Rs.
@DSMUSIC1, I was actually just watching your video the other day! It was very helpful. I seem to be able to start the flutter just fine without the clarinet, but I can't seem to do it with the clarinet in my mouth without leaking air out of my embouchure. Any advice?
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Author: DSMUSIC1
Date: 2016-06-20 05:14
maxopf,
If you can flutter tongue without the clarinet, that is half the battle. Keep your embouchure firm. It will require a super fast, concentrated airstream to get the flutter tongue to catch. Also, as I stated above, try imagine keeping everything in the front of the embouchure. Don't force the airstream, that is what will lock your tongue up and is what I believe most people do wrong.
You can also try to picture holding a balloon full of air by the end and opening the end in a way that makes a squealing sound. That is fast concentrated air that is not forced. Think of driving a car 55 mph in 2nd gear.
I know that many have had great success with the gurgling method or gargling method. I could never get it to work because it closed my throat off and did not allow me the flexibility to play through the octaves.
You can contact me off-line if you wish.
-Dennis
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