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Author: fuzzystradjazz
Date: 2016-03-14 22:59
I'm pretty sure this is the same music used by the TCM (Turner Classic Movies) as entry theme music for some of their shows (up till about 2010 at least). I haven't seen TCM in years, but it might help in your search.
Fuzzy
[EDIT] - found the following link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQiEjKxT_WA
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-14 23:19
This clarinet is definitely old time New Orleans jazz/blues style. Could be Bechet but sounds even more like Raymond Burke, who used to sell mostly Albert system clarinets on the street behind St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans during the 50s and 60s. YouTube Raymond Burke After You've Gone and see what you think. Certainly not the same selection but maybe the same style. Got to be somebody in or influenced by the old New Orleans tradition.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-15 00:37
Thanks for the "Uptown Cafe Blues." Loved the bone and trumpet solos, and the "wah-wah" mute beginning on the clarinet solo--done (do my ears deceive me?) on clarinet only, no mute. Nothing in the classical clarinet avant guarde has yet equalled that!
In guessing who the player might be in the Wendy's ad, I think we are both "in the right church" but maybe still "in the wrong pew." Hall's playing is more "uptown" usually than Burke's wide, deep, and gritty turf-hanging style, and Hall can even get downright ethereal, which I don't usually hear in Burke.
Now I'm thinking maybe it's neither, but still somebody very similar. I heard all these New Orleans guys, many in person, coming up but I never really assimilated their styles because I couldn't stretch my right hand enough to play Albert system and I wanted to incorporate bop, cool jazz, and Al Batiste avant-guarde styles too much into my playing. If I had stopped and really listened more to all of them, I could probably identify this player at the snap of a finger. A missed opportunity!
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Author: fuzzystradjazz
Date: 2016-03-15 00:54
Seabreeze,
Yeah, I agree with you about being (most likely) wrong about our guesses so far, but I am still surprised how many folks could actually produce the style. In my original thoughts, it was Bechet (because of the vibrato), but then I started remembering some of Hall's earlier stuff - and he could be right there too. You mentioned Burke, and I never pictured him playing that style before, but I definitely could hear what you were alluding to. (For me, Burke always took unexpected melodic/harmonic line jumps which were masterful and unique to him - I don't hear that in the small excerpts provided in the commercial examples....not to say there aren't in the song before/after the examples, but the style just seems a little bouncier to me for Burke - but could it be Burke? Sure!) ;^)>>>
The sad part is - I may have solved this question ten years or so ago and simply forgot my findings! I do remember researching it before, and it seems that I stumbled across the song while listening to music one day. Just can't remember - maybe I dream't it!
Either way, I'm sure enjoying the searching this time around! I've gotten to listen to a lot of great music today! 
Thanks for sharing your New Orleans experiences too! I never was able to see Burke, but I've played with people who played with him. They speak very kind words about him [EDIT]: usually, while pointing out my shortcomings!
Fuzzy
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Author: AndyW
Date: 2016-03-17 23:00
A reply from Mr. Jeremy Mador, the creator of the TCM ident animation: <edited>
"Hey there,
So glad you enjoy the spot and its music. It's almost embarrassing to admit that it is a generic music library track based on a search for "Jelly Roll Morton". He is an old ragtime New Orleans jazz pianist. I knew that feel and style would bode well for the finished spot but I knew Turner would not pay royalties for an extended period of time to license his actual songs so choosing something from the Turner royalty free catalogs was needed. Unfortunately the song is not available to the public as the libraries that Turner Broadcasting purchases are exclusive to their use. I am so sorry to be the bearer of bad news, however, if you do like that style and feel please enjoy Jelly Roll Morton's original music which everyone can easily find online because he was the inspiration for me choosing that cut. Thanks for writing and thank you for watching TCM"
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I might assume there's a chance that Turner owned music libraries includes some recordings originally recorded by big-name artists for movies & television .....
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-17 23:48
If it's Jelly Roll Morton, the short list of clarinetists he worked with were Omer Simeon, Darnell Howard, Johnny Dodds, and Barney Bigard--Old New Orleans style clarinet tradition all the way.
Somebody at the Tulane University Hogan Jazz Archives in New Orleans might be able to identify the Morton recording. They may even be able to find a Jelly Roll Morton research specialist.
http://www.library.tulane.edu/about/collections/policies/hogan-jazz-archive.
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-03-18 00:52
'Jelly Roll Morton' would most likely be just a keyword search tag within the production music library database - not the actual composer/performer.
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-03-18 01:01
EMI Production Music Library/KPM 0091 Music Of The 20s, 30s and 40s
"Jellys Blues" Composed by Keith Nichols
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-03-18 01:20
Johnny Galaga - would you like a 'sample' of this recording?
Contact me off-BBoard via:
nefesh AT tpg DOT com DOT au
or you can preview it here (track 3):
http://tinyurl.com/hjfxbc3
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-18 03:13
Great detective work! So who's playing it? It this the same Keith Nichols who put together the "New Paul Whiteman Orchestra?"
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-03-18 03:19
No idea. No performer credits listed online or in EMI database sorry, just the composer. Perhaps the old KPM CD album copy lists performers?
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Author: AndyW
Date: 2016-03-18 03:58
more info on a thread i started over here:
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?236185-can-someone-help-me-identify-the-clarinettist-here
p.s. yes i think it is the same Keith Nicholas : http://www.keithnicholsjazz.co.uk/
<edit> i knew his name - i think i've played some of his big band arrangements
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-18 07:04
I just bought a copy of the KPM 1150 LP from Philadelphia Music through Discogs. I'm waiting to receive the invoice so I can pay. When the record arrives in a week or two, I'll share whatever info I can get from it.
Wow, what great musical sleuthing, especially from dubrosa22 and Andyw.
Also check out http://www.jazzrep.co.uk/#!paul-whiteman-king-jazz/cnm6 for
more on Keith Nichols, The Jazz Repertory Company, and Authentic Live Reproductions of "The Greatest Music in Jazz History--Performed by the UK's Finest Musicians."
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-03-18 07:42
Glad to have helped.
I work every day with production music for my job and their databases are designed to be very handy in finding things. So once I had the keyword 'jelly roll morton' it was a cinch
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-26 19:15
Just a postscript to this thread:
I received Keith Nichols' "Jazz of the Twenties" 33 1/3 rpm , KPM Music 1150 vinyl album today. Evidently Nichols has been at the business of imitating old jazz styles for a long time, crafting period arrangements and gathering an able crew of trad and studio musicans into a repetory band to play them. "Jelly's Blues" is apparently not a note for note reproduction or even a faithful arrangement of any of Jelly Roll Morton's compositions or recordings. It is a "mid tempo [peice] in the Jelly Roll Morton style," composed wholly by Keith Nicholas, according to the very brief liner notes. Unfortunately, none of the players are identified on the record or the liner. Most likely, the clarinetist is a younger trad or studio player rather than an original old-time New Orleans clarinetist like Albert Nicholas or Ed Hall specially brought in for the session. Whoever the player is, he or she certainly knows the old New Orleans style well.
To find out more, I suppose one would have to contact Keith Nichols.
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Author: fuzzystradjazz
Date: 2016-03-29 09:21
Seabreeze,
Thanks for verifying the information. It's really too bad that the liner notes didn't indicate the musicians...that would have been a really great find. In looking at many of the musicians listed as having worked with/for Nichols, I found a surprising number of people I know (never knew they played for/with Nichols though)! I wonder if Mr. Nichols would (indeed) remember which reedman played on this tune?
A number of years ago, I tracked down a previously-unlabeled clarinetist from a 1987 CD of the Dukes of Dixieland (not the Original Dukes). It was a tedious journey, but it was great to finally have the name to put with the style/technique he used! I briefly corresponded with the gentleman, and was able to look up other work he had done. It would be nice to be able to look up other work of the player on Jelly's Blues. Do you plan an attempt to contact Mr. Nichols? (If not, I might try.)
Fuzzy
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2016-03-29 09:44
I saw the Dukes of Dixieland many years ago with, I think, the original clarinetist. He did not use the altissimo if he could avoid it, continuing the clarion with the throat fingerings up to F6. I could never make those notes sound very good, but he sounded fine.
Ken Shaw
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2016-03-29 17:53
Fuzzystradjazz,
I don't have any up to date contact information for Keith Nichols. If you go to his official web site and click on email, nothing comes up.
See http://www.keithnicholsjazz.co.uk.
One clarinetist who played with Nichols for some time was Randy Colville.
See http://www.mikegold.info/nichols/band.htm.
I'm not even 100% sure this is the same Keith Nichols, but I guess contacting him is worth a try.
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