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 Vandoren Black Diamond 13-Series
Author: Morrigan 
Date:   2016-02-10 19:34

Hi all,

I tried my teacher's Black Diamond on his recommendation of them (he's playing on one full-time) and he said the sound I was making on it was great. I went to Howarths in London, tried a few, picked one out, despite me feeling that it's quite a buzzy, fluffy sound.

So a couple of hours later I tried it out in an orchestra rehearsal in a moderately sized concert hall and I couldn't believe the sound it made! Somehow it seems to be bright and dark at the same time, a quality I really like. It had great projection and seemed to allow for heaps of control with not only dynamics but timbre as well.

The two issues I have are primarily that it is FLAT! Flat to the point where both instruments are pushed all the way in, and I have to make an effort to keep the pitch up. It's much worse on the A and manageable on the Bb. Has anyone else had this? I also play on a B40 13 which has fantastic pitch.

The second is that in a practice room, and in less-than-ideal acoustics, I hate the sound. It's all fluff and fuzz. BUT I can't help but think, does it matter how I sound close up? How satisfied will I be not liking my sound, but knowing that it sounds better from a distance?



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 Re: Vandoren Black Diamond 13-Series
Author: Jeroen 
Date:   2016-02-10 19:42

Your review makes me anxious to try it also!
The projected sound is of course more important than the sound close up. How does it project in a smaller room for e.g. chamber music?



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 Re: Vandoren Black Diamond 13-Series
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2016-02-10 19:53

Intonation is more important than everything else combined. As Keith Stein said, a mouthpiece that plays out of tune is worthless, regardless of how well it may play otherwise.

However, a shorter barrel might help.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: Vandoren Black Diamond 13-Series
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2016-02-10 22:08

Morrigan wrote:

> So a couple of hours later I tried it out in an orchestra
> rehearsal in a moderately sized concert hall ...
>
> The two issues I have are primarily that it is FLAT! Flat to
> the point where both instruments are pushed all the way in, and
> I have to make an effort to keep the pitch up.

Your teacher is playing on it full time and, presumably, not having the same struggle. But he's playing on *his* instrument and barrel. So, apparently, he's found a solution, or it was never a problem to begin with on his setup. Find out what he's using with the mouthpiece.

>
> The second is that in a practice room, and in less-than-ideal
> acoustics, I hate the sound. It's all fluff and fuzz. BUT I
> can't help but think, does it matter how I sound close up?

Well, it does, to an an extent - not so much the tone quality itself, but the response, because that affects a great many other parts of your technique. But, in conjunction with what I wrote above, you might ask your teacher what he thinks of the reeds you're playing on the mouthpiece - not the strength and brand, but the actual ones you're using every day.

When I've had the reaction of not liking what was coming out in a small practice room, it generally has turned out that when I play in a bigger space the room ambiance mitigates response problems that, when I think more carefully about things, I realize are not confined to the practice room. I just don't notice them as much. You may be dealing with poorly balanced reeds or reeds that aren't quite matched to the mouthpiece that sound better in a bigger room but still aren't responding as cleanly as they might.

Karl

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 Re: Vandoren Black Diamond 13-Series
Author: sonicbang 
Date:   2016-02-11 03:56

'...feeling that it's quite a buzzy, fluffy sound...'

It makes me think maybe the reed strength is not appropriate.

Mark

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