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 R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Bill 
Date:   2001-05-09 20:58

I just received a Galper R-13 throat Bb replacement. There are no instructions with it. It looks pretty simple to install - famous last words. Abe's web page says just "pop" out the old vent, etc.

My question is how this is done? In particular, on a new R-13 such as mine, is the vent "glued" or just a pressure fit? The latter should make the removal easier.

Since I ordered the replacement, my R-13 has been playing superbly, with certain reeds. So, I'll probably wait to install it.

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2001-05-09 21:54

Bill -

The R-13 register vent is not glued in, but is held in only by friction. From what I hear, the switch is easy, and a switch back if you don't like it should be equally easy. Still, it should have come with instructions. I wouldn't want to experiment with sticking something down the bore and trying to push it out.

I can't imagine that there are no instructions. You should e-mail Galper to get them.

See earlier discussions of the Galper vent on Sneezy at http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=39353&t=39132 , http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=41969&t=41836 and http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=42068&t=41984 plus various postings to the Klarinet list, such as http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1999/06/000606.txt , http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1999/01/000750.txt ,
http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1998/11/000065.txt ,
http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1998/11/000063.txt and
http://www.sneezy.org/Databases/Logs/1998/10/001333.txt

Ken Shaw

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Bill 
Date:   2001-05-09 22:20

Ken - thanks for answering my question, and taking the time to post the relevant links.

Since it didn't come with instructions, I corresponded with someone that had successfully installed one. He indicated that the instructions provided by Abe were to heat the vent with a Butane torch to loosen wax or lacquer. Since he installed it on an older Evette Master model, I thought the wax/lacquer might not be applicable to a new R-13. I sent an email to Abe, but he didn't completely answer my question. He addressed installation, but not removal. So, I sent him another email, and I am waiting for a reply.

I thought that some of the Sneezy folks, like yourself, would know.

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: peter spriggs 
Date:   2001-05-09 22:26

Ken,
I routinely remove the vent tubes from new (and used) R-13 clarinets. They are in fact glued and preasure fitted. I have made a special tool for taking them out and before I do I also heat the tube to loosen the glue. This is not something to be done by anyone except an experienced person. The potential is always there for cracking apart the top joint! Not worth the risk.
Peter

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Bill 
Date:   2001-05-09 22:46

Peter - thanks. I definitely wouldn't have the skill to "torch" such a small area without doing damage. I will wait until the clarinet needs work, hopefully not for a few years, and then get it installed by an experienced repair person. I hate waiting though - what to do :) ? (rhetorical question)

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Terry Horlick 
Date:   2001-05-10 01:55

Hey, is this a job for my old "crown remover". This instrument is a long rod which has a little 90 degree foot on the end. You could slip it down through the center of the tube and then catch the foot onto the inside end of the tube. Then you tap the weighted slide outwards. It is dexigned for pulling off dental crowns, it should make quick work of a tapered vent tube!

I bet you could go borrow one of these instruments from your dentist... I haven't used this one in 18 years!

If this sounds like an option for you I can go to the office and snap a picture for you and post it here.

Terry

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2001-05-10 02:38

I have removed many, just by pushing them from the inside with a modified steel rod rod inside the bore, appropriately shaped so there is plenty leverage, no damage to the bore, and neglible chance of (minor and easily corrected) damage to the end of the tube. I don't think I've ever damaged the tube at all. I have never needed to heat to soften glue. I always avoid tapping when pressing is an alternative, because there is so much less control of the operation. Furthermore some glues are slightly flexible and respond less to tapping.

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: mw 
Date:   2001-05-10 20:39

FWIW, I have seen vent removal tools in several catalogues. I'll check & report back, unless somebody beats me to the punch. Best, mw

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 RE: R-13 Octave Vent Removal
Author: Bill 
Date:   2001-05-10 20:50

Beat to the punch. It's available from Ferree's Tools for $9.70. It's called the clarinet octave tube remover, and described as used to remove octave tubes before polishing the bore. I'm putting it on my Christmas wish list :) mw: Thanks for the tip.

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