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Author: ClarinettyBetty
Date: 2015-10-22 20:34
Hello all,
I am looking to purchase my own Eb, but at this time cannot afford a Buffet R13 or anything lovely like that. I am looking for something serviceable that will do the job in community band and some clarinet choir stuff.
I realize I should stay away from those "Brand New for $79.99!" models, but what else might work?
Noblet? Normandy? Is a Bundy okay-ish? My price range is less than $500 and trust me, I've looked hard, for months, for an older/used name brand, but it's just not there.
I am okay with altering the horn/Fobes extensions, new mouthpiece barrel combination suggestions also. I just can't do brand new anything.
Thank you BBoard!
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Author: modernicus
Date: 2015-10-22 23:57
I read about the "new" Martin Freres company Eb E34A on the clarinetpages.net site and he had good things to say. I just looked and their prices look to have gone a bit above your range, now, though... Otherwise, yes the online auctions can yield a Bundy, Noblet, etc... at your price range but there is potentially more risk involved. I think it would be nearly impossible to find one at a shop with their high overhead if that is where you've been looking.
Post Edited (2015-10-23 00:10)
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2015-10-23 02:11
Betty -
Is there any way to rent a top-line instrument for a period? Rent-to-own could be a less painful way into a higher quality instrument.
Getting a Bundy, or other student-line used instrument may work out just fine. But what if it needs work? Will your $300 and up repair/repad investment over the price of a horn be worth it?
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-10-23 07:07
Ebs are like basses, they are specialty horns and you won't find a decent one for less than a professional price (used instruments these days hold their value much more now than just ten years ago).
Used Yamaha might be your best dollar value but honestly you're in the wrong price range for a utility horn.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: Roxann
Date: 2015-10-25 17:10
I purchased my LeBlanc Eb clarinet from clarinetsdirect.biz out of England. I'm in Idaho. Clarinets Direct came highly recommended by another BBoard member and I was totally pleased with the service and with the clarinet itself. However, I was shocked to get a bill from the US government. I had to pay an import fee of about $50 (it's based on the value of your purchase). Best of luck!
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2015-10-25 19:24
The Noblet is not a bad horn although you'll have to check the high notes for pitch and add/ subtract fingers to get notes that are in tune. Otherwise, a decent sound. The E11's are also decent and both of these are much better than the Bundys.
Good luck. eefer is a great horn.
Eefer guy
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Author: ClarinetRobt
Date: 2015-10-26 21:28
This feed reminds me of all but begging Ridenour to make an Effer. Unfortunately, there's just not enough demand for Tom to expend the energy to design and manufacture one. I truly get that. But you know it'd be an amazing horn for great value.
~Robt L Schwebel
Mthpc: Behn Vintage
Lig: Ishimori, Behn Delrin
Reed: Legere French Cut 3.75/4, Behn Brio 4
Horns: Uebel Superior (Bb,A), Ridenour Lyrique, Buffet R13 (Eb)
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Author: Dm Zisl
Date: 2015-10-27 03:10
Here is what I did:
1. Got a solid Normandy 8 (can be Normandy 10, a 1950's Leblanc brand) eefer off the bay of E. Those do go on sale every now and then. You should be able to get one under $500 (which is what I paid). Normandy are professional Eb clarinets that few know about these days. Now you do.
2. Took it to my tech to check it and do necessary adjustments (recork, repad, fortify springs, whatever is needed to be done).
3. Got myself a professional set of accessories, basically using only the "body" of said clarinet:
-- a Grabner Eb mouthpiece
-- a Backun tulipwood barrel (or two, of various lengths) with cutout for Bb clarinet reeds
-- a Fobes Eb clarinet extension (IMHO that's a must on Eb and C clarinets, makes a noticeable difference intonation-wise)
-- a Backun tulipwood bell.
Here is the result:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZxha3SEZyQ
Post Edited (2015-10-27 03:12)
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2015-10-27 06:51
Dmitri -
Do you use both - the Fobes extension and the Backun bell? Doesn't that make a double lower vent? I'm certain you use one or the other.
But - always good to hear from other Eeffer players!
Play On!
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2015-10-27 07:09
Okay Dmitri. I see what you mean now - Your not using the $650 Backun vented bell, your using the standard bell. Nice You-Tube stuff! Dig the klezmer rip.
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
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Author: Dm Zisl
Date: 2015-10-27 21:42
@Ken, thank you! Indeed, I use the Fobes extension instead (of the vented bell), I love it both on the Eb and C clarinets, it just works. I believe they should make it standard on all Eb and C clarinets, just because it's a requirement on all those horns I've ever touched.
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2015-10-27 22:57
Dmitri -
As I mentioned in a different thread (Tale of 2 E-flats...) I used the extension on my E11 E-flat. It really made a huge difference. But I've stopped using it, at least for the time being, on the new R13. I did not perceive any noticeable difference or improvement - in fact I had a strange "node" effect on middle (4th line) D. But, now, I'm just diggin' the Eeffer life!
Also - on the C clarinet - I'm totally in love with the Ridenour C. It is a dream playing that horn! The only time I don't like it - is when the gig is done, and I have to put it away!
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
Post Edited (2015-10-27 23:01)
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Author: Dm Zisl
Date: 2015-10-27 23:02
Ken, that's very possible. I didn't try the R13 eefer (you mean, the R 13 Prestige or R13 Tosca eefer, right?), and I would want to believe that its higher price tag is there for a reason, despite the Buffet's mass production and minimal production time per instrument...
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Author: KenJarczyk
Date: 2015-10-27 23:06
No, Dmitri!
The new Eeffer is the standard R13 E-flat. But it IS a wee dream horn to play, as opposed to others I've tested.
Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo
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Author: Dm Zisl
Date: 2015-10-27 23:09
Oh, interesting, I had no idea. I only saw those RC eefers as step up from E11, and then Prestige and Tosca, but not the R13. But sure, that makes perfect sense if all they basically do is they copy the bore and undercutting design from Bb /A and divide it by whatever the ratio is, 1.15?... Why not copy the most popular model!..
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