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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-10-01 20:29
Hi
Has anyone heard of Rudolf Tut clarinets?
It has this name and also Innsbruck.
It looks a bit "homemadey" but not really in a bad way.
Thanks
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Author: greenslater
Date: 2015-10-02 01:03
It's Rudolf TutZ. I've never played his historical clarinets however my baroque flute is made by him. He is very well regarded for his flutes and one of the more popular makers.
Brad
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Author: brycon
Date: 2015-10-02 03:12
I've played some of Tutz's historical clarinets; they were very nice instruments.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-10-02 09:50
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Thanks. It could be Rudolf Tutz, but it says Tut on this clarinet. Hard to capture in a photo but it's definite that there wasn't a Z that worn off. It's possible they forgot to the stamp the Z or it's missing for some reason. There is a bit of something on the top of the T that looks like maybe it's a missed stamp (accidentally moved and didn't notice, didn't hold it right, etc.).
Related question, how common is it for Albert system clarinets to not have the right side Eb/Bb key? It's actually the only one I've seen without it but maybe it's not that unusual?
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2015-10-02 10:15
I think the marking to the right of the top cross-stroke of the T is actually the top cross-stroke of a Z. Possibly the stamp wasn't correctly registered.
Tony F.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2015-10-02 11:09
In answer to your question, I believe that the right hand Eb/Bb key was often left off of simple clarinets. Two of them are in my closet, I recall, one a no name very fine player, possibly by Thibouville. One gets a little used to not having that key that we all use so much.
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-02 14:03
clarnibass wrote ''Related question, how common is it for Albert system clarinets to not have the right side Eb/Bb key? It's actually the only one I've seen without it but maybe it's not that unusual?''
Does this describe the Tut clarinet in question?
If so, please post a photograph or two. I have a number of Alberts and a simple system.
Tks
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Author: brycon
Date: 2015-10-02 21:40
Clarnibass,
Tutz's shop is in Innsbruck. Unless there's both a Rudolf Tut and a Rudolf Tutz making instruments in the same town, I'd say there was an issue with the stamping on this instrument (though maybe Tut is the Chinatown cheap knock-off version?).
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-03 03:11
Thanks for the photographs ''clarnibass''.
A brief look at them indicates a definite ''German'' style, as it were. I owned an Oehler system instrument once, but changed back to an Albert shortly thereafter. I used the Albert until about (hmmm..) three years ago when I dredged out my ancient simple system.
I will now endeavour to learn how to properly take photographs of a couple of my instruments and upload them for viewing.
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-03 11:42
Here are pictures of my Hawkes & Son simple system and my Buffet Albert system.
Both are fairly old, I'd suppose about WW1 vintage judging by the serial numbers. They are there, but fairly faint.
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-03 11:52
Sorry....
Well I tried...but no pictures were allowed...file size or something. I guess that rather puts the knockers on me trying a 2nd time.
Maybe another time...perhaps I'll just get a ten year old kid in to advise me and pay him to attach the photos for me...![[huh]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie11.gif)
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-03 12:00
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Could't find a ten year old kid so I'll try again.
This is the Hawkes and Son. It's a simple system, no raised tone holes like the Tut, and just twelve keys and two rings
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-03 12:06
Crikey, I didn't think the pictures would be THAT big!
Anyway then, here's two photographs of the Buffet Albert. Fifteen keys and four rings. I count the LH pinky key as two, by my logic, as it's another option. I had it custom installed, by the way.
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-03 12:09
Errr...second attachment didn't work. Pictures ''have to be smaller than 2000K''.
How does one accomplish this then?
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2015-10-03 14:18
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Here you have a page from a Carl Kruspe Erfurt catalog from the 1860ties (from a Kruspe exposition catalog, Erfurt 2012). Even then they built German ("Simple") system clarinets from 8 to 15 keys and a "Newest construction", as I suppose with 17 keys (besides a multitude of other instruments- metal clarinets, 1 Boehm etc.).
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Author: ned
Date: 2015-10-04 05:09
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OK thanks. I reduced the images to ''medium'' as per my Mac's options and Silversorcerer's instructions.
The Buffet is 15 keys and 4 rings with an alternate Gb/Db key (I call my notes in concert pitch). I also count the B/Gb key as two keys as it offers a completely different alternative to the standard LH little finger single option and I figure it SHOULD count as two. Anyway, here's some reduced photographs of the Buffet.
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SS, your Cabaret A is quire similar to the Hawkes & Son, with the exception of the ''cross-over'' keys, as I call them. The H&S has a somewhat more agricultural set-up, where the mid Gb/high Db key is much longer and I use either my LH middle or LH pointy finger to operate depending on the key of the piece, or the type of run I am attempting to pull off.
It's the only thing I DON'T like about this instrument.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-10-04 11:54
Just a coincidence, another player just came and was curious about this G clarinet. It turned out he and several other players he knows have a few clarinets made by Rudolf Tutz. Supposedly he makes mostly period clarinets, they have mostly 5 keys and 12 keys basset horns from him but also some other clarinets.
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Author: Dibbs
Date: 2015-10-05 14:53
You're right. Basset clarinets weren't common in Mozart's day. In fact there was only the one played by Anton Statdler. Those period basset clarinets on the Tutz site have far more keywork than Statler's would have had. He claims around 1780 but something like that would have been quite a bit later.
Here is something more like Statler's http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/Stadler.html
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2015-10-06 17:17
It's the same with arpeggione, the bowed guitar for which just one meaningful composition exists.
Re Bassett clarinet: At least Martin Fröst (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKy967puebk ), Sabine Meyer and Sharon Kam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_gm0NCabPs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P38aRY0a34w - the latter a Buffet promotion clip-) play the Mozart pieces on modern Bassett clarinets in A, Boehm system, 18 cm longer and with four extra keys.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-10-07 08:58
>> I was looking at his Basset clarinets. Technically these are not Basset horns, which are more like alto clarinets, but are extended lower range A clarinets. <<
I was referring to his basset horn in F. He makes A and Bb basset clarinets too.
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