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Author: Roxann
Date: 2015-09-04 05:57
I'm playing 1st on Symphony No. 3 for Band by Giannini, Part IV. Starting in Part 9, there are 8 measures with one beat worth of trill, every other beat. I'm not quite sure what to trill to on several of the notes. For instance, there's a third line B and it says to trill to sharp. Does that mean to trill to B# or to C#? Then I trill from third space C# to another sharp...D#? Then fourth line D# to a natural, E natural I assume, but don't know if my assumption is correct. Then fifth space E to a sharp, I assume F#? Then fifth line F# to another sharp, I assume G#. Then the G right above the bars to a flat...would that be to Ab? Then a G# above the bars to another sharp...A#? Then A# above the lines to a natural, so to B? Then a fourth bar D# and it just says tr above it (no additional sharp or flat sign), so would I trill to E#? And, finally, a B above the lines to a sharp...would that be to C#?
I've been told that you trill a whole step above whatever the note is. Is that correct? If it is, then if you add "tr#" you would trill three half steps above the note. And, if it says "trb" you would trill one half step above the note.
I sure hope this makes sense. I have no doubt this will be part of our audition in the coming week and it would sure be nice to do it correctly!
As ever, thanks for your help!
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-09-04 07:36
Off hand it is best to treat the trills within the key signature (would also be helpful to know the underlying chords during those moments). So to kinda answer your question, if the note above (usu. a whole step, but again, what the next note would be in the key you are in) is a natural, then raise it if the direction is "tr#."
Since your audition come BEFORE the rehearsal, this is not helpful, but it will be pretty obvious what to trill once you are playing the piece.
I'd see if you can find a YOUTUBE rendering of it and give it a listen.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: nellsonic
Date: 2015-09-04 09:29
To put it another way, trill up to the next note name - in other words C something to D something. What the "something" in each case is is determined by the key signature. Most often this will happen to be a whole step, but that's not a rule. It's frequently a half-step and could even be 1 1/2 steps. Hope that helps.
Looking more carefully at your question, any accidental above the trill symbol indicates an alteration of the top note of the trilll, to be applied after the key signature guidelines above. For example, if the key signature is four sharps and there is a trill on a C, you would trill C# to D#. A sharp above the trill symbol would make it C# to D double -sharp (E).
Anders
Post Edited (2015-09-04 12:20)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-09-04 17:28
In tonal music, barring some really unconventional notation style, a trill normally goes from the printed note to the next higher one in the current key. So a trill on A would normally go to B in C major and to Bb in F major. If the composer wants something other than that, he needs to notate it. The notation sometimes has to be interpreted a little - a natural over a trill on D in an Eb major section would mean to trill a whole step to E natural instead of the Eb native to the key. A tr-b over a D in a piece in G major would indicate a trill from D to Eb instead of the native E natural.
I don't have the part or the score to look at, but it sounds like Giannini is trying to be explicit in music where the key center is maybe ambiguous or he is deliberately muddying up an established tonality. With conventional notation, B tr# should be B-C#. To ask for a half-step trill on B, the composer would call it C and maybe write a natural sign with the trill. You normally trill to the next staff degree (letter name). The rest of your solutions seem (with no context) to be correct. The trill on D# with no chromatic change to the trill ought to be to E natural, unless there's an E# already in effect from a previous change within that measure - that's contextual.
A sharp means trill to the sharp of whatever note is next higher. It will normally result in a whole-step trill where a half-step would have fit the key. Anything larger than a step should normally be notated some other way - as a tremolo between the two pitches involved.
Of course, this is all less obvious when the operating key isn't the one indicated by the key signature (there's been a temporary modulation) or when there is no key center. Then the composer should help in the way that Giannini seems to have. Sometimes, if you check the score, either the harmonic context will clarify the trills or, sometimes, the concert pitch versions when the oboes or flutes are doing the same trills will be clearer. I would say, by the way, that if the music director hasn't given you instructions about the trills before the audition, he should (in an ideal world) only be listening for how cleanly you play the ones you've worked out, not for whether your reading of the intervals matches his/hers.
Good luck!
Karl
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Author: Roxann
Date: 2015-09-04 20:09
Thank goodness it's in the key of C, or I'd be in big trouble! Thanks to all of you for your help.
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Author: nellsonic
Date: 2015-09-04 21:31
Great piece of band music by the way. I hope you have a blast playing it. I'm enjoying listening to it now. I'm not sure I've heard it since I last performed it about 20 years ago.
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Author: Roxann
Date: 2015-09-05 01:35
It's been on my band director's "bucket list" for a long time and he's thrilled that he gets to conduct it. I hope we don't disappoint:) AND...I hope we some day get to do the ONE piece that composes MY bucket list...Variations on a Theme by Paganinni...I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I even offered to purchase it, but he says we're not ready yet.
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Author: clarinetist04
Date: 2015-09-05 15:02
Everything else you had correct. Here's the two in question:
third line B and it says to trill to sharp. Does that mean to trill to B# or to C#?
C#
Then a fourth bar D# and it just says tr above it (no additional sharp or flat sign), so would I trill to E#?
I think this is to E Natural. And I remember it being specified in the part I've seen before.
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