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Author: eduardo94
Date: 2015-08-13 19:27
I would like to know what you think about the style in Messager pieces (solo de concours). I saw some recordings with different articulations and dynamics. I think Messager is a Late-Romantic composer, but do you think we can choose a different articulation like in Weber? Or he wrote all what he wanted to hear like Brahms and Schumann? Is anyone "specialist" in french music?
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-08-13 21:08
I'm not sure what choosing different articulations from the written ones has to do with "Romantic" style. Assuming Messager provided the articulations in the original edition, you'd probably feel more obligated to observe what is printed than in earlier urtext or first edition scores that don't suggest any articulation. In the specific case of Weber, we have, apparently, both his original, sparsely marked clarinet part and the version, through Carl Baermann that his father and Weber's contemporary, Heinrich Baermann actually performed, apparently with Weber's blessing.
What is it you want to change?
Karl
Post Edited (2015-08-14 01:24)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-08-13 21:12
But I should have added, Weber, AFAIK, is considered an early Romantic composer, so the comparison of Messager to Weber isn't a question of Romantic vs. something else (Classical?).
Karl
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2015-08-13 22:36
As far as I recall this piece was written as a test piece for the Paris conservatoire.
In that case I would assume that it was intended to be performed as written, at least as far as the conservatoire was concerned.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-08-14 14:24
All I know is that folks like Robert Marcellus were rather adamant that French music needs to be studied and played precisely with clarity being key to the overall sonic picture.
Perhaps you might be arguing that Messager's Solo de Concours is not of the same school of thought (Impressionist) as Debussy's Premiere Rhapsody. I don't think that matters.
................Paul Aviles
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Author: eduardo94
Date: 2015-08-14 21:40
Paul Aviles, you said exactly what I have to do. I am in a National competition where I need to play Messager and Debussy Rhapsodie, and I am looking for ways to make a big difference in styled because I know the schools of Messager and Debussy are totally different. My teacher told me I can make different articulations to make a big difference between the pieces
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-08-14 22:27
But then those are *your* differences, not the composers'. Unless he only meant to change the style - the sound - of the articulation and not the articulations themselves. You can certainly make articulated notes longer or shorter, with sharp, pingy attacks or gentle ones, clip final notes of slurs or not, etc., which isn't what I thought you were asking about in your original question. But I wouldn't change the markings themselves - slur where the notes are marked staccato or vice-versa - in a competition in anything as late as either Messager or Debussy.
Karl
Post Edited (2015-08-15 00:42)
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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2015-08-15 02:11
Not necessarily romantic - just tacky. Interpretation tip: play tacky music as tacky as possible.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-08-15 03:08
I find the Messeger "spritely" in its sound. It should be light.
The Debussy is more ethereal or "other worldly."
Both need clarity in approach so I still think they are more similar than than they are different.
...............Paul Aviles
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