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 Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: MartyMagnini 
Date:   2015-07-14 11:16

A while back I gave my initial impressions of a Ridenour Libertas that I received from Tom Ridenour for evaluation. Tom was soliciting my input as for the appropriateness of the instrument in a large ensemble setting. Disclaimer: I personally own a Ridenour Lyrique Bb, A, and C clarinet, and I have 2 bass clarinets for my high school band. I paid full price for my Ridenour clarinets, and was not compensated in any way for my opinion on the Libertas.

I also own a Backun Protégé and a Yamaha Custom with a Backun barrel and bell, and had previously spent many years playing on Buffet R13’s and Prestiges (about 30 years on Buffets). I used to get my Buffets and Yamahas serviced by Brannen Woodwinds, and just sent in an instrument to Backun for full service, so I guess you can say I’m very picky about my clarinets.

My first review was quite positive – I mentioned that the intonation was quite good, and that the changes between registers was smooth – the altissimo just speaks with no effort. Well, having played the Libertas on and off for a couple of months, my conclusion is that this is one serious instrument –the equal of any I’ve ever played. Not as “sexy” as some horns out there now, and I know some people have a bias against any non-wood instrument, but man – this thing just plain plays. I’ve played it indoors and outdoors, with nothing but complements on my sounds and playing. (If it matters, lately I have been playing an ESM MCK1 mouthpiece with Legere signature reeds). It’s evenness between registers makes playing almost effortless, and I can easily play in any register at any volume, including a whisper quiet altissimo in perfect tune. There is no need to favor any notes, or change your embouchure. Just play. It’s quite refreshing.

The only difficulties I experienced in getting used to the instrument were:

1) Getting used to the key layout. I had the same experience when switching from Buffet to Yamaha – maybe just a tad more so with the Libertas, but it took about a week and I was comfortable with the layout. I can switch between my Libertas and my Backun or Yamaha with no problems, or between the Libertas and my Lyrique A with no problems.
2) A bit of a funny “problem” – I was used to favoring pitches with my Yamaha – it’s a very very nice instrument, but I was used to voicing down the “D” just below the staff, voicing up a bit on the open G, and voicing up a little bit on many notes above high C, and quite a bit on the high F. With the Libertas, no adjustment is needed – just play right in the center of the pitch, and the intonation is great.

It’s got a warm, but centered sound, quite pleasing to me. If you have an open mind and are looking at new instruments, you owe it to yourself to at least check out a Libertas. Don’t let an “anti-wood” bias dissuade you from trying one – I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. I still play on my Yamaha and Backun clarinets as well, but the Libertas has definitely earned a spot in my arsenal. I’m a big fan of Morrie Backun (as you might guess) as well as Mr. Ridenour. Both have really taken the clarinet to new places in the last several years, to the benefit of us players. I would recommend any Ridenour product to any of my students without hesitation – they are certainly a real bargain for a professional level clarinet, and in my opinion they are serious instruments for serious players.

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: johng 2017
Date:   2015-07-14 18:01

When I bought a low C bass from Ridenour they kindly sent a Lyrique Bb and A clarinet for me to try and show to my students and friends. While experimenting with them I thought to let the instruments speak for themselves by recording a trio. The results are on You Tube at https://youtu.be/lzi0TDiKwGI I had similar reactions as Marty.

John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2015-07-15 23:56

And you really can't kill them, which is a great thing for hard environment playing. So a player doing pit work, etc. won't ruin their Wooden instruments playing that stuff.

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: eddiec 2017
Date:   2015-07-16 14:12

Thanks for the review.

How do you like the feel of the keywork? I bought the Ridenour C a while back. I like it, but the keys and tone holes had a few sharp edges that could use rounding, and the right hand fork key is a "square" design that I don't like much. I'm not sure if this is just on the C or it carries to any of the other models.

I've noticed that the current A is branded a Lyrique vs the current top of the line B-flat "Libertas." It leaves me a little confused as to if they are the same level of instrument. I saw you owned both, so thought you might have an opinion.
The A was supposedly redesigned and improved for the current production run, so I'm wondering if it is feature-wise it is equivalent to the Libertas. They are also priced about the same.



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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2015-07-16 14:26

I have Youth Orchestra students who I recommended get the A clarinet by Tom.
It's very good!
And is equivalent to the Libertas.

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: KenJarczyk 
Date:   2015-07-16 17:37

I second that - The Ridenour "A" is a perfect match for the B-flat Libertas. I also use my Ridenour C clarinet quite a bit. Love his stuff!

Ken Jarczyk
Woodwinds Specialist
Eb, C, Bb, A & Bass Clarinets
Soprano, Alto, Tenor & Baritone Saxophones
Flute, Alto Flute, Piccolo

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: nellsonic 
Date:   2015-07-16 20:42

I also have both and they are matched well. The keywork on the Ridenour instruments is very much improved over what it was a few years ago. It's very solid, and the action is smooth. As I understand it, it's taken him some time to be able to get things done the way he wanted in the manufacturing process. The sliver keys are still in the squared off style. I didn't like them at first, but after playing on the instruments for a few days or weeks I ceased to notice.

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: MartyMagnini 
Date:   2015-07-17 09:33

I like the keywork on the Libertas much better than on my previous Lyrique. The keywork was the one thing I didn't love about the Lyrique, and that issue has been fully addressed (at least for me) on the Libertas. The A clarinet is a standout. I don't play the C often, but when I do, I enjoy it - I've never played another C, so I have no basis for comparison.

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: TomS 
Date:   2015-07-17 22:50

Pretty much agree with Marty on his assessment of the Libertas. I love mine. I don't have the Backun instruments to compare to, but have others, including an R13 pitched in A. And, from time to time, I'll swap clarinets with someone for a few minutes to compare.

RCP has made incremental improvements in their cosmetics and keywork over the years. Very few complaints on this, anymore, I think ...

I'd like to see a cream colored (no black pigment) Libertas with rose gold keys.

Tom

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: nellsonic 
Date:   2015-07-18 00:25

Gold keys would be so great. My skin chemistry is really hard on nickel. It's too bad silver doesn't work with rubber. I take good care of my instruments. It would be nice if their appearance continued to reflect that (I guess that's a pun). I just can't quite bring myself to put clear nail polish on them.

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: EaubeauHorn 
Date:   2015-07-18 19:05

Because I have a nickel allergy I'm going to have to put nail polish on the keys if I keep the 576 I'm getting on trial. I didn't know that silver doesn't work with rubber; what is the chemistry behind that?

I'm told there is little difference between the 576 and the Libertas, in the sense that one is not necessarily "better" than the other, just somewhat different. For those who have both, do you agree with that?

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2015-07-18 19:35

You can get it gold plated.

Rubber tarnishes silver!!!

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: DavidBlumberg 
Date:   2015-07-18 21:14

Tom can, and does do that

http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com


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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: TomS 
Date:   2015-07-18 23:51

The Libertas and 576 both are similar, in that they have smooth blowing resistance register to register, a warm and sound and great intonation. The Libertas has added center and ping and the response is a bit more agile, not to mention that the mechanics have some enhancements.

IMHO, get both. You only live once.

Tom

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: Barry Vincent 
Date:   2015-07-19 02:39

There is some sort of catalytic reaction between the Silver of the mechanism and the Sulphur within the Ebonite. This results in a dark grey to black coating of Silver Sulphide (AgS) on the mechanism.
Gold plated keys would look really nice though if you had enough 'bread' to pay for it.

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: locke9342 
Date:   2015-07-19 03:52

Why not get some black silver keys then like on the bliss

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: ClaV 
Date:   2015-07-19 06:36

Hard rubber contains a lot of sulfur (to make rubber hard), which reacts with silver in presence of atmospheric oxygen to form black Ag2S (similar to silverware staining).
No silver plating with hard rubber is feasible.
The same sulfur leads to bleaching of hard rubber under light forming sulfuric acid.
True, hard rubber happened to be cheap and efficient replacement of ebony (thus the name "ebonite") and worked quite well for mouthpieces. Why is hard rubber the best material for clarinet (other than cost) is not that clear.

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 Re: Update on Ridenour Libertas review
Author: TomS 
Date:   2015-07-20 00:10

People own hard rubber instruments that at decades old and seem to work as well as new.

I think much of the advantage of hard rubber is how closely it can be worked, it's stability, and the sound seems to approach or equal some exotic hardwoods, such as Honduran Rosewood.

But, I'd like to see and hear comparisons for various other non-wood materials. Charles Bay liked Delrin plastic, and wanted to get Buffet to make one for him someday. I suspect there may be better materials out there, somewhere, that might be about perfect.

Research with "no axe to grind" needs to be brought forward. A double-blind playing/listening test should follow up. Would be an expensive project.

Tom

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