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Author: knotty
Date: 2015-05-28 19:48
I haven't been keeping up. A while ago that auction site used to be filled with bogus copies of famous clarinets, Buffet's, Yamaha's etc.
Is it still that way? or gotten less or worse?
Thanks!
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2015-05-29 22:52
I'm still seeing the knockoffs in new or nearly-new condition at live auctions, flea markets and junktiques stores, so it's definitely worth looking carefully for deliberately misleading brand names such as "Selner" or "Baffet" and for outright fakes with phony labels. Even if every manufacturer of counterfeits got put out of business yesterday (and I suspect that didn't happen...), there's so much crookware out there already that I expect it to keep right on appearing in the marketplace for the forseeable future. Reputable dealers and music stores won't sell fakes new or take fakes in trade. That means the victims will keep on dumping the junk in those "anything goes" markets. There's no downside to staying skeptical.
Lelia
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Author: Ed
Date: 2015-05-29 23:02
There are still a substantial number of fakes on eBay. It is really important to buy from reputable sellers and to know what you are looking at. I would also suggest to buy from someone with a return policy. If in doubt, it would be much better to spend a few dollars more to get something from a reliable shop than to get stuck with something.
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Author: knotty
Date: 2015-05-30 01:22
Thank you, sounds like I must continue the vigilance in the fake watch. Back a few years, me and others, alerted the auction site about fakes being sold but sounds like they haven't done anything about it.
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2015-05-30 21:36
Fakes come and go quickly. I'm not talking abut the Selmans, etc, but the actual counterfeits must get taken down. The last Selmer Paris sax counterfeit listing was so hilarious I went to find it the next day, but it was gone.
Steve Ocone
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2015-05-31 03:11
For all kinds of counterfeit goods, it's better when the efforts are laughable, or at least easily detected by someone with a bit of skill in the area.
Is anyone aware of any kind of bogus clarinet equipment that would take an expert to detect? My guess is it would cost more to make that good a phony than the counterfeiter could get for it, so it's not likely to happen.
Or there is the possibility of a genuine article relabeled or rebranded, or serial number altered, to make it seem more valuable. I'm not an R13er, but aren't some years of those more coveted than others?
I think the short answer is- whatever you buy or from whom, unless you are an independent expert, get a 2nd or 3rd opinion on it while you still can undo the deal. Or (and I like this answer)- if it pleases you, it doesn't matter where it came from.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2015-05-31 23:08
fskelly wrote,
>Is anyone aware of any kind of bogus clarinet equipment that would take an expert to detect?>
If I've ever encountered anything that good, it's fooled me! ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
> My guess is it would cost more to make that good a phony than the counterfeiter could get for it, so it's not likely to happen.>
My guess is that you're right.
>Or there is the possibility of a genuine article relabeled or rebranded, or serial number altered, to make it seem more valuable. >
I think altering a serial number on a Buffet would look conspicuous, because Buffet stamps those numbers into the wood. To get rid of a number altogether or to erase one number and change it to another, someone would have to sand the number out, and I think deep enough sanding to do the trick would leave a dip. Worth thinking about, though
I wouldn't buy a clarinet that looked as if someone messed around with the serial number for another reason, too: a thief might disguise the number in case the rightful owner reported the instrument stolen.
Lelia
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