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 "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: Roxann 
Date:   2015-04-26 03:27

In conjuction with the discussion about how long to dry your reeds, what type of case are you storing your reeds in? Are you storing them in a Vandoren-type reed case that has a sponge in it that you dampen and it provides some humidity, OR a case that has the glass plate in it that you lay them on, OR something else? How is it working for you?

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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-26 04:54

I have equal amounts of luck with a fancy, expensive case with glass that holds all ten at a time vs. the Vandoren box they came in with the cheap plastic sleeves. All I do is wrap the "given" container loosely in a sandwich bag (the fold-over type) and just blow in some "warm air" whenever I retrieve or replace a reed. Not very consistent or scientific but it keeps reeds moist enough and RARELY do I suffer any mold (on the overly humid times of the year).




...........Paul Aviles



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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: fskelley 
Date:   2015-04-26 05:28
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Since shortly after Brad Behn talked me into taking humidity control seriously some months ago, I've used a plastic 8.5" x 11" display easel (any office supply store), inside a Ziploc bag. Reeds are supported and held in place by rubber bands. At the bottom is a humidity packet (replaced when needed every 2-3 months) and a cheap from eBay China humidistat.

When I go anywhere I take 4 of my best reeds in one of the little Vandoren carriers. Needs a new humidity pack, but probably I should just be putting it inside a smaller Ziploc with another Boneva packet (and have the carrier slightly open).

Stan in Orlando

EWI 4000S with modifications

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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-26 11:02

I gotta confess that I am NOT a numbers guy (or much for detail either). But I have arrived at the conclusion that my reeds (and my sanity) are alway best over 60% humidity.


Is that number on your hygrometer one you specifically shoot for?




And let's be really clear to those in the North during Winter (or the Southwest during Summer)............good luck; may God be with you.







.............Paul Aviles



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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: WhitePlainsDave 
Date:   2015-04-26 19:37

What type of case are you storing your reeds in?

http://www.amazon.com/Lock-1-5-Cups-Removable-Trays/dp/B0028LT9DI.

(If I may add a question of yours here Roxann, why am I using this.)

This product was--with the only element changed the product label--the now discontinued Rico Reed Vault.

I have nothing against Rico, but my experience has been that when a music products company repurposes a device, be it Lock and Lock's aforementioned container, or Rico's humdity packs (Boveda makes them), a price markup is often associated with this. When I need to buy additional humidity packs (72% I choose), I'll buy Boveda or Rico, based mostly on competitive price. I tend to buy directly from Boveda because they've been honorable merchants, and I have to assume theyare most likely to have fresh product. Truth be told though, humidty products like this come shrink wrapped. I suspect prior to breaking this seal, the have good shelf life.

I use this approach because I find that reeds require less work to be ready to play. In fact if a reed's tip is wavy, I can tell that's its time to replace the humidity packs, as the reed has dried out, and its tip is wavy from different patterns of drying in the wood--which when it happens, is usually remedied by just exposing it to longer hydration prior to play.

I don't know what I do preserves their life or makes them better. And I don't think anyone has the holy grail answer to what works best, as it all boils down to our personal perception of how a reed plays. I'm not saying hydration is smoke and mirrors...absolutely not...but shall we all recall brilliant players of days gone by who never did this....made their own reeds from scratch?

I use the container I do because it's pretty darn air tight, which allows my humidity packs their maximum life. Point being, it's a decision of dollars and cents, not musicianship for me here.

"Are you storing them in a Vandoren-type reed case "

[wink]You bet I am Roxann. But not the one you're thinking of. Mine's those beautifully architected pieces of plastic that come in a Vandoren or Rico (maybe D'Addario too) reed box. [wink]

Why again do they stick those pieces of wood in these little plastic cases??? [wink] Someone told me it's to keep the plastic case from warping. [wink]

Seriously, some swear that reeds should only "rest" (notice my deliberate avoidance of the 3 letter reed curse word "dry") with the flat side facing up. Still others think this insane, as a flat reed table and tip is most likely to stay that way with positive pressure against the reed on a flat non porous surface, table down.

I'm not sure it even matters if you're exposing resting reeds to humidity. But to my point, in situations like this, and consistent with mockery ad capaigns like that in the States for Twix Candy Bar left versus right bar war http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/twix-unveils-rivalry-campaign-pitting-left-bar-against-right-bar-141922 I like the Rico plastic cases, which apply pressure AND air to the reed table.

Does this affect reed performance? Probably not. It was my compromise to each "reed storage camp's" philosphy.

"How is it working for you?"

Okay I guess, which might be the same answer if I left reeds on my mouthpiece after play.

=====

All this said, please, 30 seconds on my soapbox.

I get that players seek every way possible to make the clarinet playing experience more managable. But I've also seen too many players focus too much of their time on this endeavor, which has no one right answer.

That's time away from etude books, the real magic that makes all reeds sound better. I'm not advocating playing garbage reeds, but I would like to point out the answer I gave recently to budding student who needed to be less gear-centric, and who asked me the same question....

I told him, with a wink and a smile, that the best storage place for a reed was between the pages of the Rose studies book that he wasn't currently playing, while learning the pages of same that were assigned to him.

I get that many of you are hypervigilant about the repetitive, metronome based study of classic clarinet books I preach about. I apologize if I have offended you in my "preaching to the choir."

I have 5 seconds left. I'm turning them over to Jon Manasse's tip on reeds [wink]

https://youtu.be/6zIOoaq_vbc?t=8m23s



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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-26 19:46

Interesting thought about etude books.



I would counter with another thought.



It is the dutiful application of musical dynamic contrast (as one may see described in Daniel Bonade's "Clarinetist's Compendium") rather than the etude books themselves that is the magic.


You can just as easily play Rose etudes (Mozart and Brahms for that matter) like crap.









...............Paul Aviles



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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: WhitePlainsDave 
Date:   2015-04-26 20:47

Our thoughts, I think Paul, aren't mutually exclusive, in fact the opposite.

If I may make an analogy to floor gymnastics, I think you speak more of the routine performed on competition day, with its flips and spins..i.e. the artistry (application of musical dynamic).

I'm the coach during practices screaming, "5 more perfect pushups" (sit up in chair, proper embouchure, curved fingers close to the clarinet.)

My goals, I believe, must be met to accomplish yours. And of course, to the OP's original concern, reliable, if not perfect reeds aid us both.

Roxann..and to Stan's previous similar thread...a parting thought...I really like the consistency of what I've seen so far in the D'addario reed product. They are IMHO, very plug and play. As, after all, good reeds is really what this thread is about..even more so, good playing.

(no musical affliations)

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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: fskelley 
Date:   2015-04-30 22:41

Hey Dave... my reed sagas go on. Next box of reeds in 2 to 4 weeks. Would probably be another 10 Vandoren blue box #3's. But, if I decided to try the D'Addarios- Reserve Blue box? or Reserve Classic purple box more expensive? strength? Thanks for all your input.

Stan in Orlando

EWI 4000S with modifications

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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: faltpihl 2017
Date:   2015-05-01 00:02

A comment on D'Addario classic reeds, which may be just me, but I found that they are stiffer than V12 by quite a bit.
I ordered 3,5+ and 4 but both are too stiff compared to V12 4.

And on topic, I use the vandoren hygro cases for my reeds. The reeds sit well in the case and I fit two of those in my clarinet case. I'd like to find a good case that is slim and fits more reeds, haven't searched too much.

The protec plastic one holds alot of reeds but most of the reeds I use get squished too tightly because of poor fit.

Regards
Peter

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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: TomS 
Date:   2015-05-01 03:16

This works for me:

Only wet vibrating part of reed and use tap water for initial wetting.

Dry round side down for about 30 minutes and then flat side down on glass. Don't press or hold them down while drying, only held during transporting.

Don't store reeds in a controlled humidity case unless the weather is rainy or extra dry and your heat/air conditioning is not doing it's job.

Reeds need to rest in the same atmosphere as we play them ... and I know this varies all over the place. Let your reeds rest for a while in the place you are going to play them, if possible.

After reeds have equalized their moisture content to nominal room values, don't store them in your clarinet case unless in ziplock bag, and only briefly. You clarinet case is likely damp inside.

I avoid this tedious ritual by using Legere reeds.

Tom

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 Re: "drying" your reeds w/ or w/o humidity?
Author: jonok 
Date:   2015-05-01 10:40

TomS wrote:

>
> Reeds need to rest in the same atmosphere as we play them ...
> and I know this varies all over the place. Let your reeds rest
> for a while in the place you are going to play them, if
> possible.
>

Um, don't reeds operate in a somewhat more moist atmosphere than that - in our mouths with a nearly 100% humidity air stream blowing past them ... ?

Jon

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