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 Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-14 03:14

Look, there is no particular reason to compare and contrast these two clarinets, but they happened to be the two clarinet I have been trying out of late.


I want to say that my initial impression of the Divine was that it played just like the Buffet Vintage (a horn on which I have more current logged time). It turns out though over the course of some days the Divine really had some more notable and less obvious abilities. This Buffet IS introspective to be sure but it is incredibly well tuned. It is one of those horns that wants to land on a note with authority (almost a "pop," it is so clear). I finally grew to like its attributes. However I came back to the fact that it is too introverted for me and I could not really "let go" with it, or enjoy playing it unreservedly.


One strong criticism I cannot let go is that "low F" correction key. It DOES bring the "low F" up in pitch when going for a robust version of that note, but I find it more likely to want the low "E" as well in those situations and that key doesn't do anything for low "E." Also the vent hole itself is small, and located ON the lower joint. Consequently it diminishes the resonance of the "low F" even while correcting the pitch (too much of a trade off?).


Now I had one of those IMMEDIATE infatuations with the Uebel 'top-of-the-line' Superior model Boehm clarinet. It is instantaneously fun to play......but I wanted to have a few days to explore possible pros and cons. It turns out there are a LOT of PROS !!!!!! I find that it has a very lively sound and quick response. In many ways it is the antithesis of the Devine. Another interesting aspect is the tuning of the first line "E" and first space "F." These notes tend to ride a bit low on most Boehms, however on this horn (and the whole line of Uebel Boehms) these notes are square on pitch !!! So you'd think the 12ths above would be correspondingly high, but THEY ARE PERFECTLY IN TUNE !!!! Does anyone have an explanation for this? It seems to defy physics.


The Superior ALSO addresses low "E" and low "F" with a permanently open, small vent hole located in the bell. I contend that the best means to address this problem correctly is how the Germans do this on an Oehler horn, with a full size lower hole on the bell which is opened using a RH thumb key. The Superior's 'low F' is not quite helped out (nor hindered) by this vent hole, however, the 'low E' is however raised a bit and makes the experience of playing the lower register quite enjoyable. I'd say off hand that the vent hole of the Superior works BETTER than the extra key works for the Buffet Divine.


If there is a criticism of the Superior it may be that it responds TOO quickly; it may come off being a bit "wild." Although I have been playing Buffet mostly the last year or so and only have the Uebel for a few days. It may be a matter of getting used to the difference in response (won't know until I buy one.......hmmmm).



In the final analysis I find the Uebel just WAY more fun to play. And (this will sound weird but it's the only description that come to mind) the Superior just sounds like a clarinet, particularly in the clarion register. I do feel guilty liking it more than the Buffet but it is just a hoot to play. The Uebel Superior is a boisterous extravert compared to the analytical Buffet Divine.






.................Paul Aviles



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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: blazian 
Date:   2015-04-15 06:28

You're making me want to try some clarinets out!

- Martin

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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: WhitePlainsDave 
Date:   2015-04-15 16:19

Paul:

http://www.uebelusa.com/#!bbsuperior/c1fyr

Did the Superior(s) that you played have the design in the bell consistent with the above link (what looks to me from the picture like a circular piece of metal where the label is)?

Is this purely ornamental, or is an it an actual hole? And if it's a hole, do you know anything of its accoustical rationale?

Thanks



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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-15 17:02

The hole in the bell is (as you have figured out) surrounded by a silver plated ring (it looks for all the world like the left hand thumb hole).


It DOES raise the pitch of the "low F" slightly, and raises the pitch of the "low E" slightly more. If you look here:

http://uebel-klarinetten.de/deutsch/klarinette-B-634.html


This is the MOST acoustically correct way to raise the pitch of these lower notes. But you must engage that vent manually with a thumb trigger (when you need it).


The whole point of applying the Boehm's fingering to a clarinet was to simplify the mechanism and eliminate this as a necessity (maybe we went too far).



This reminds me of a story. When I was in high school, the school had it's own "A" clarinet that we used in orchestra. The low notes were far too flat so I simply drilled a quarter inch hole in the bell just bellow socket. It worked but the music department did not agree with me, accused me of vandalism and forced me to pay forty dollars for a new bell.


The nerve of such people.






............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: Ursa 
Date:   2015-04-15 18:46

Thanks for the review, Paul. Given a choice of two instruments of approximate equal quality, the one that allows for more enthusiastic and expressive playing always gets my vote!

Once my Ridenour sells, I just might order a Uebel Classic.



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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: Gene Chieffo 
Date:   2015-04-21 04:54

Paul Aviles, how long has the Divine been around? I just did a whole bunch of shopping and bought a set of R13s I really love, but I was unaware of the Divine entirely! Not that I would pay that much for clarinets anyway. I may have played it back in the day of just signing instruments out of "supply."

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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: fernie51296 
Date:   2015-04-21 08:40

Out of curiosity, were you using a closed mouthpiece/hard reed set up or an open mouthpiece/soft reed set up?

Fernando

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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-21 16:20

I tend toward more closed mouthpieces. Currently I'm using most often a Vandoren Masters CL4 and their strength #4, V21 reeds (I probably push more with my embouchure than I should).



The Divine has been around for at least a couple of years but the reason its not really talked about in the States so much is that it is Buffet's ultimate RC design which NEVER got much love here. It features a (for lack of a better term) smaller sound in general and always was more popular in Europe. If you look, you can find RC versions of the R-13 and Prestige.





.............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Comparison of Buffet Divine to Uebel Superior
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-26 11:17

Ok, here is a bit of an update. I was very curious about the possible affect of the "rubber-like" product used for tenon corks on resonance of the clarinet as a whole. I was actually able to change that out for standard cork (fully prepared to put the original material back if necessary).


What I found was that there is more liveliness to the sound and less of a "damping" affect with natural cork. It was not a massive difference, all the horns same characteristics are there of course, but it 'noticeable.' As a point of comparison it went from playing just less 'forward' than a Buffet Vintage, to playing a bit more 'forward' than a Buffet Vintage.


This leaves me with a question for Buffet. Was their intent with the chosen tenon product an attempt at a possible advance in the mechanics of horns without regard to possible affects on sound, or were they ALSO attempting to achieve the slight damping effect that is actually happening?






.................Paul Aviles



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