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 Artie Shaw Downward Glisses
Author: justind 
Date:   2015-04-05 00:24

Hello, I've been working on transcribing some Artie Shaw solos and he does a few glisses that I just can't figure out. On this one song summertime, towards the end of his first solo he does a gliss down from a high d to an f#. I feel like there must be some trick, it feels to big to just finger chromatically and lip down. Also on his famous clarinet concerto toward the beginning, he does a gliss down from a high g to a high d. This one seems more reasonable since the notes are so high but I still can't figure it out. Anyway if anyone has any thoughts or knows any fingerings, any help would be appreciated.

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 Re: Artie Shaw Downward Glisses
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-05 01:26

I was just doing one from a high "G" (fourth ledger above staff) down to a fourth space "E." What I did was to bring my tongue back (getting the "G" into that "slidy" feel) and then push my tongue forward like a slide whistle. It was really counter intuitive because you'd think the sound should be going up doing that.






.............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Artie Shaw Downward Glisses
Author: kdk 
Date:   2015-04-05 02:00

I haven't listened to his Summertime in years, but he might have been using either open D (squeak an open G) or LH thumb + G# key for the D. Glissing down from either fingering would probably be cleaner than going down over the break from standard D oxx|xoo.

G to D, on a setup that's gliss-friendly to begin with, isn't hard to do if you start on a G fingering like oxo|ooo (F#) + RH bottom side key, again so you don't have to jump over a harmonic break from the standard G fingerings (e.g. oxo|xxo .

Karl

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 Re: Artie Shaw Downward Glisses
Author: justind 
Date:   2015-04-05 08:55

Thank you both for your help. I've been trying both of your suggestions but I'm having the most trouble with the D 3 spaces above the staff to the F# at the top of the staff. I can smoothly get from the D to the B by starting with just the octave key and sliding my fingers over the two keys but after the B it just falls apart. I can't maintain the continuous gliss without hearing the transitions between keys. I'm trying to just keep lipping it down and slide my fingers over the rest of the keys but it just isn't smooth. Any tips?

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 Re: Artie Shaw Downward Glisses
Author: elmo lewis 
Date:   2015-04-06 02:16

It's not so much the right fingerings, it's the right voicing. On the high note say "eeee" and on the low note say "yaw". Gradually change from "eeee" to "yaw" during the course of the gliss.

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 Re: Artie Shaw Downward Glisses
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2015-04-06 05:05

Yeah, it's ALL about the "yaw" NOT the fingers. I might use finger to help some ragged glisses but for the most part I do them ALL with back of the tongue. If you gliss at all you should recognize "that feeling" when the note is all "slidy." You should be able to do that almost anywhere in the clarion and altissimo. The tricky ones for me are going from a lower altissimo to the TOP altissimo notes. For those you need to explore upper partial fingerings (no need to go into that here).



And there are some players who can to the 'slidy note' thing in the chalumeau but I have NO idea how to do that at all.



.............Paul Aviles



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