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Author: kuteclar
Date: 2015-03-04 19:00
Good morning all,
I was wondering if anyone has ever considered an edition for the Mozart Clarinet Concerto that had a transposing piano part?
There are a multitude of editions for either clarinet in B-flat clarinet or clarinet in A and the clarinet, of course, always plays the same fingered notes - in the Key of C.
Am I crazy to think that there should be an edition with BOTH transposed piano parts included so one could either play B-flat or A clarinet from one solo? Either for when you graduate from high school (playing B-flat on the contest lists) to college and buy that A clarinet (you can continue using your same edition), or if you're teaching, you can use your well-crafted A edition for your students playing on B-flat?
One clarinet solo part and 2 transposed piano parts.
(I mean "in C" as in it's written in A major, but when played on the A clarinet, the clarinetist is playing in the key of C Major.) I'm not looking for something transposed; I'm looking for interest in having one edition that can be the sole Urtext edition for someone playing EITHER a B-flat or A clarinet.
I know of a new Urtext edition coming soon, but I have not yet convinced them of the need for the dual piano part, so I am testing the clarinet bboard waters!!!
Post Edited (2015-03-04 21:30)
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2015-03-04 20:33
For Bb:
http://www.alle-noten.de/Klarinettenkonzert-Wolfgang-Amadeus-Mozart/5xu17ile?gclid=CMHCx7OPj8QCFUiWtAodUD4AJw
For A:
http://www.alle-noten.de/Klarinettenkonzert-A-Dur-KV-622-Wolfgang-Amadeus-Mozart/dcipymjf?gclid=CMrQq9aPj8QCFfQatAodRBsACw
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Author: kuteclar
Date: 2015-03-04 20:52
But wouldn't we all like ONE edition with BOTH parts included so you could play either on B-flat or A?
Post Edited (2015-03-04 20:53)
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2015-03-04 21:15
If your desire is to simply have a pre-recorded accompanyment played in a key like "C," which deviates from the conventional "A" and "Bb" renderings of the work it might have been recorded in, please indicate as such. There are many software programs and apps to do this.
I'm not aware of a piano transcription in "C," which by no means implies it doesn't exist.
Some day, when all music is not simply digitized into picture form, but encoded such that the computer is "cognizant" of the actual notes, I suspect key changes will be but near instanteous button pushes away.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-03-04 21:27
kuteclar wrote:
> But wouldn't we all like ONE edition with BOTH parts included
> so you could play either on B-flat or A?
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That's probably the issue. I don't think we'd ALL feel we had any use for both versions. If we're teaching the concerto to high school students (mostly for auditions of various sorts), they wouldn't typically own an A clarinet or need the original version in A Major. If we're adults or serious older students who own A clarinets, we'd have no use for a Bb version of the piano part for our own playing. Those players who are left probably wouldn't buy enough copies to make combining the two accompaniments and distributing it worthwhile to a publisher, assuming that the price would be higher than either single version.
Karl
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-03-04 22:18
Personally I don't think what the piano player is looking at (and playing) would have to be exactly what the clarinetist is looking at.
The idea behind a good, definitive edition is to be true to the composer's wishes, so a good edition of the Mozart would be in the key of "A."
It's an imperfect world, use your favorite written edition for clarinet and make any (if there are any that are relevant) changes to the piano part written in "Bb."
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2015-03-04 22:32
Paul, I admit to being lost by this above post.
We of course concur that clarinetist and orchestra (or piano if you will) have different parts. In fact, the accompanist in this piece (again ensemble or pianist), as if I need to tell you, doesn't merely follow the soloist, but plays critical role in playing back phrases and themes first introduced by the soloist.
As far as the composer's wishes are concerned, while speaking in generalities I couldn't agree more to remain true to this, but in the Mozart [clarinet concerto], who knows what he actually wanted, as witnessed by the availability of many editions of the work from famous clarinet players, each with own spin on phrasing things.
"Make any changes to the piano part,"
It's called transcribing in a different key in this case, right???.
(Maybe it's me who is missing something here.)
It's a pain to do, hence the desire (I think??) by the O.P. for alternate key versions of the work, not so much alternative interpretations of the work.
Maybe you can clarrify Paul.....I almost always understand you, irrespective of whether I concur with your sentiments or not on any given topic, but here...I'm lost.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2015-03-04 23:21
There was a published edition with a piano part in Bb many years ago, and I may still have it. Since I did not own an A clarinet when I started playing, my teacher, Earl Handlon, had me play my quarterly exam Mozart solos with my Bb instrument with a music school piano major playing the Bb piano part. None of the professors seemed concerned about it.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2015-03-05 00:02
The first version I bought of the Mozart Concerto was for Bb clarinet with the piano part written 1/2 step higher. It was edited by Louis Cahuzac. Several other versions exist.
Back in the dear dead days of the LP, many turntables had a speed adjustment that let you raise or lower the pitch by 1/2 step. In fact, the Music Minus One version of the Brahms Quintet was speeded up for Bb clarinet.
It's an ear-opening exercise to play the Mozart Concerto or Quintet on the Bb, transposing down a half step. It's not as hard as you may think. In fact, the MMO LP of the Quintet included a transposed version of the clarinet part in the key of B.
Ken Shaw
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-03-05 01:00
There are several editions available with Bb accompaniments. They're aimed mostly at the student market. The Carl Fischer edition (edited by Bellison) has been around since at least the early 1960s, when I first started to learn it, but I'm certain it's older than that. There's also a Schirmer edition (no editor indicated for the clarinet part) and an International Music Co. edition edited by Kell. Those are only the ones I have in my library, all currently in print. I'm sure there are others.
You never know when you'll run into a purist with perfect pitch who just can't deal with its being played in the wrong key. I once got a quite public tongue lashing from Sol Shoenbach, who at the time was the Executive Director of Settlement Music School in Philadelphia, because I allowed one of my students to play a movement of the Concerto on Bb clarinet in an SMS recital. I was young at the time. He was furious and I felt rather abused. You just never can be sure you're safe.
Karl
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Author: Dibbs
Date: 2015-03-05 14:22
Ken Shaw wrote:
> ...
> It's an ear-opening exercise to play the Mozart Concerto or
> Quintet on the Bb, transposing down a half step. It's not as
> hard as you may think.
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Why not play it on alto to get the basset notes.
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