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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2015-01-27 15:22
The Boosey and Hawkes 1010 have standard leather pads.
Does anyone has experience with different pads, like fish skin or gore-tex?
And are there differences in sound to be expected?
Just curious...
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-01-27 16:30
Just with non-1010, the Gortex will be more "reflective" or "brighter." I would think anyone who makes their own pads would be able to make leather pads for the Boosey, but triple fish-skin works great too (pretty much same feel and sound).
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: Nessie1
Date: 2015-01-27 17:01
I've got leather on mine - always have had. I don't view it as model-related choice though, more of a less prone to water logging/cracking choice than fish skin!
Vanessa
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-01-27 19:51
I cork padded my 1010 right down to the Acton vent pad and fitted leather pads in the largest pad cups - and then someone bought it off me before I had a real chance to play it!
And the whole 'fish skin' thing is a complete myth - it's the same intestinal membrane from cows that's used for sausage skin and gut strings, a by-product of the meat industry.
If it was fish skin, then what fish does it come from? The famous unanswered question will go on unanswered as it's a myth.
I had a fairly new Peter Eaton International in recently with the original neoprene covered cork pads and it leaked like a sieve due to the porosity of the neoprene having so many open bubbles in it, so I cork padded it and voila! More responsive, more resonant and completely airtight than it ever was.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2015-01-27 20:59)
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2015-01-27 19:52
The last time I had a Boosey overhauled, I had cork pads installed on the side trill keys, C#/G#, register key vent, and in the pad cup under the throat A touch piece. Brown leather pads were installed everywhere else. The cork pads opened up and added sonority to the open G, throat tones, and generally helped the clarinet feel lighter on its feet.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2015-01-27 23:15
Original Eaton's had leather pads. Mine certainly did when I bought them in 2001.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-01-28 03:22
I don't know why they changed to these pads as leather pads worked fine - I've worked on older ones that still have their original leather pads and they were neither porous nor needed replacing.
B&H 1010s traditionally used Gordon Beeson pads (they have G.B. or Gordon Beeson Pad printed on the face of the pad) and from the late '60s or early '70s onwards they were glued into the pad cups with Evo-Stik which is the same adhesive used to glue the key and tenon corks on with. All very well unless you had to have a pad reseated as Evo-Stik isn't heat activated like shellac which is the best kind of adhesive for pads as they can be shifted around while the shellac is still warm and it sets hard like toffee once cooled down but can then be heated up again and again as need be to do any further adjustments. With pads glued in with Evo-Stik, they can't be adjusted several years down the line if they need to be.
The problem with Gordon Beeson pads and older leather pads in general is they become porous with age and being subjected to getting wet and then drying out which also causes the leather to harden, so they won't last for decades. Modern leather pads often have a plastic coating to the leather which makes them both air and water tight, so they will last a long time and are much easier to clean. They can become sticky when humidity levels rise which is the downside to them.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: JohnP
Date: 2015-01-28 17:03
I have a new Eaton Elite with neoprene pads. I tested it with my magnahelic leak tester and the seal is as good as it gets.
I experimented with pads recently on my old Buffet C. First of all I repadded it in skin but felt the instrument still lacked something. I then tried leather but that seemed worse. Finally reasoning that there must be something in these new fangled goretex pads beloved of Buffet etc I tried those. These brought the instrument back to life producing a brighter focussed sound that makes me want to actually use this instrument in future. I'm considering trying them on an old pair of Eatons which I have.
John
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