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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2014-11-19 03:37
I'm just curious as to which reeds you specifically use on this mouthpiece. Im using traditional 4's, but they seem a bit hard at times, would traditional 3 1/'s work really well?
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2014-11-19 04:33
Why not try them, that's the best way to find out.
My guess is that you specifically use what works best for you, which may be a little different to what works best for the next person.
p.s. have you tried adjusting your slightly hard 4 reeds to make them more comfortable?
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2014-11-19 04:35
V12s would probably be better on the 13 Lyre due to the facing curve. Blue box reeds tend to work better with the 5RV family and the B series facings.
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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2014-11-19 04:35
I don't know how, have the tools, or the guidance to "fix" reeds
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2014-11-19 04:38
Well, that would be a good skill set to learn. I personally smooth out the reed with 2000 grit sandpaper. It keeps the contour and overall structure of the reed, but gets rid of the excess material that a machine can't fix. It almost makes cane reeds play as smooth as synthetics.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2014-11-19 04:42
Apart from several fine books addressing reed adjustment there is quite a lot on u-tube (some rather rubbishy) but try Tom Ridenours videos for starters.
You don't actually need much kit to fix reeds - just a lot of practice - but if you are serious about clarinet it's essential to master this part - apart from fact that you will save significant money by getting a much higher proportion of reeds in each box to work for you.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2014-11-19 05:00
According to the Vandoren sheet that you can download at:
http://www.vandoren-en.com/Traditional-Bb-Clarinet-Mouthpieces_a159.html
They suggest 3.5-4 for the Traditional cut. You might move down from the 4 and see how it works for you.
For my tastes, the M13 lyre is one of the best mouthpieces that Vandoren makes. The choice of reeds is all dependent on what results one is looking for. Each person is different. Find what works for you.
Post Edited (2014-11-19 06:04)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2014-11-19 05:02
I've recently had three students try #3-1/2 56 Rue Lepics on their M13 Lyres and they seem very comfortable with them.
Karl
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2014-11-19 05:14
I personally don't prefer the M13 Lyre, but I would assume that the Rue Lepics or V12s would be the best match, assuming the mouthpiece is in good condition in the facing. The traditionals may not have enough wood in them to counteract what's going on with the mouthpiece and get a good equilibrium.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2014-11-19 05:16
I don't necessarily disagree with you or want to contradict, but I'm not sure what you mean by "what's going on with the mouthpiece." Can you clarify?
Karl
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2014-11-19 05:23
The M13 Lyre is a closed mouthpiece with a slightly shorter facing than the M13. Typically with closed mouthpieces you want to preserve the control with hard reeds, reeds that fit the contour of the facing. The Traditional reeds are built for French-style facings, and the 56 are really built to compliment the M series of mouthpieces, generally. However, with the 13 Lyre, a V12 may be most appropriate due to the shorter length of the facing.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2014-11-19 06:23
It's true that M13 Lyre is shorter than M13, but it's still listed as Medium Long - one I have at hand measures 36 (18 mm) on a standard glass with a .0015" feeler, so it still isn't what anyone would probably call a short curve. (The box in my drawer that should hold an M13 seems to be empty, so I don't know what its actual length is, but from Vandoren's description (Long) I'd expect it to be 38.)
Still, to the OP's original point, the only really reliable way to answer questions about what reed to use is for the player to try the likely suspects and decide for himself. So much depends on how you expect a reed to feel and sound. Certainly both V12, 56 Rue Lepic and a lighter VD Traditional, among others, would be worth trying.
Karl
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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2014-11-19 06:24
Just tried some (old but new, not sure if I did try using them) 3 1/2 V12 reeds on it and they worked very well... My box of traditional 3 1/2 will be coming in shortly, and I will compare them. On the subject of reed fixing can you maybe give a link to an instructional article or something about SIMPLE reed fixing? I dont have the money to ruin reeds on accident. Thanks in advance!
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2014-11-19 06:26
My method described previously is VERY similar to the ATG system. . http://www.ridenourclarinetproducts.com/ATG1.html
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-11-19 06:49
Use the ATG system for a week (maybe even a day) and you'll never want to be without it. Start with a reed or 2 that are so bad you can't use them... I KNOW you have some of those. Dimes to donuts you bring at least one back to life, then you'll be a believer. Do understand, though, that some reeds, even if they seem soooooo close to playing right, never will no matter what you do.
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-11-19 12:30
Are we sure about the "shorter" aspect of the Lyre designation? It was always my understanding that the "Lyre" meant "more" of something, either more open or a slightly longer lay.
..........Paul Aviles
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2014-11-19 17:44
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Are we sure about the "shorter" aspect of the Lyre designation?
> It was always my understanding that the "Lyre" meant "more" of
> something, either more open or a slightly longer lay.
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The Lyre designation doesn't mean anything consistent in terms of tip or length. The descriptions are readily available, as Ed has already mentioned, at http://www.vandoren-en.com/Traditional-Bb-Clarinet-Mouthpieces_a159.html.
In the case of the M13/M13L the original M13 is "100,5" Long and M13L is "102-" Medium Long.
I've never been sure why Vandoren uses a comma in their tip measurements. Is it the same as a decimal point here in the U.S.? I assume the minus after the 102 means it's somewhere slightly short of 1.02 mm, though I don't know why they'd have designed it that way. Why not make it either 1.02 mm or 1.015 mm? Go figure...
Karl
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2014-11-20 01:50
The "Lyre" name is simply taking a mouthpiece as the base design and tweaking it a bit. Nothing more, and usually doesn't end up with a better product (except maybe in the B40 Lyre)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2014-11-20 02:21
Each person's opinion and taste is different. I don't know that anyone can clearly say one is better than another. I find the M13 lyre to be much more to my liking than the standard M13.
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Author: Zacharywest158
Date: 2014-11-20 23:21
Exiawolf-
I use Rico Reserve - now called D'addario Reserve - classic strength 4 that I shave down to be more like a 3.75. My M13 Lyre works well with these reeds. I find shaving down a thicker size makes the reeds last longer than if I buy a box of strength 3.75. In general, these reeds work better for me than Vandoren. Hope that helps!
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2014-11-21 01:10
Zachary - How do you go about shaving down a harder reed. Just completely curious. Not to hijack this thread or anything at all!
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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2014-11-21 03:34
I actually agree with Clarineister's question. The ATG metheod is one way, but how do you do it?
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Author: Zacharywest158
Date: 2014-11-24 03:55
I use a bastard file to take some off the back of the reed, as well as get rid of any warping. Then, I use either a reed knife, reed rush, or sandpaper to thin down the tip. Sometimes this is enough, but often I need to go in with a knife and shave a little bit from both sides of the heart of the reed. As long as the reed is balanced and playable without working too hard, I consider it a success!
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2014-12-27 19:28
While I feel that the Rico Reserve and the two new D'Addario reed product additions to the marketplace are excellent, please know, upon reliable sources, that I believe each manufacturer's products are different.
D'Addario, as I understand it, purchased portions of Rico's higher end product offerings, that to date found the mouthpiece experiencing a change in name only, but a change in name and design for the reeds.
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Author: Genai
Date: 2017-09-19 17:13
According to my way of playing and my likings, one of the best mouthpieces is the Vandoren M13 lyre. I am always trying new mouthpieces. I have yet to find any mouthpiece, including all of the Vandoren mouthpieces, that matches the tone of the M13 lyre. It's dark. You can play soft. You can play loud without blasting. Your tone won't spread. You won't fall in and out of tune. It's an outstanding mouthpiece. You really cannot beat the price. It's amazing.
About the reeds, I play with Vandoren 56 rue Lepic and Pilgerstorfer 3'5s.
Best regards,
Miguel Ángel.
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Author: TomS
Date: 2017-09-19 18:02
Try Pilgerstorfer Dolce ... 3.5 to 4.0 ... they vary a bit in strength, but the cane is excellent and cut is amazingly well balanced and last a long time ... they do work well with the M13-lyre ...
Tom
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Author: ClarinetRobt
Date: 2017-09-20 04:28
Pilgerstorfer Dolce I feel up are an upgrade to Vandoren's offerings. I've had better luck with Leuthner and love love love Behn's Aria. Arias, for me, run softer. You'll probably need a 4.
Food for thought. Best of luck!
~Robt L Schwebel
Mthpc: Behn Vintage
Lig: Ishimori, Behn Delrin
Reed: Legere French Cut 3.75/4, Behn Brio 4
Horns: Uebel Superior (Bb,A), Ridenour Lyrique, Buffet R13 (Eb)
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Author: jonathan.wallaceadams
Date: 2017-09-21 07:27
Behn ARIA 4.0 ($25 /10 reeds)
Gonzalez FOF 3.75 ($32 /10)
Leuthner French-Cut 4.0 ($32 /10)
Mozart 3.5 ($15 /12 )
V21 4.0 ($25-32 /10)
V12 3.75 ""
Rue Lepic 4.0""
Traditional 4.0 ""
Silverstein 3.5 ($40 /10)
Above is what works for me in order of most consistent and playable for me with the M13L.
Behns don't last me as long as Gonzalez, or Leuthners (when it comes to how well they break in,) but when a Behn is good, it's VERY good (7/10 were beyond pleasing out of my most recent box.)
Just an aspiring student.
Buffet Tradition
Mpc.: Hawkins "G", Barrel: Moba, Reeds: Reserve 3.5+
Post Edited (2017-09-21 07:33)
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