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Author: Smart geek
Date: 2014-10-31 19:52
hey guys,
im researching for information about buffet b10 and b12
i wanna know more about the design of these two clarinet apart from different in pads and the metal ring
i have heard that b12 is a plastic version of r13, is the bore and key design of b12 same as r13? how about b10? is b10 and b12 share the same bore and keywork design?
i have also heard a lot of people claiming that b10 has out of tune problems, any people got experience on it?
is b10 a better instructment than b12? and the reasons?
coz im considering between these two clarinets and i need advices from you guys, thanks!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-10-31 20:14
The B10 is a more rationalised version of the B12 - the keywork is more utilitarian and made of fewer parts with fewer solder joints to keep the cost down. More plastic parts were used on the B10 such as socket rings and trill guides which then found their way onto the B12 as well.
The main problem with the B10 was the use of Valentino pads which became very sticky through use (or misuse) and the extensive use of Valentino 'cork' which exhibits a lot of friction and compresses with a very slow recovery rate, so many linkages would become sluggish or stick once the material had become damaged and the adhesive layer was exposed.
While the design and concept was good, in practice it had many shortcomings.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2014-10-31 23:33
Smart geek wrote:
> i have heard that b12 is a plastic version of r13
The B12 is a plastic version of the E11
...GBK
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Author: Smart geek
Date: 2014-11-03 19:41
any soruces to refer to? i search on google and found an article saying that it is plastic version of R13
http://images.miretail.com/content/wwbw/site/articles/merg/productspotlights/005-006_rg1111_productspotlights.pdf
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Author: Smart geek
Date: 2014-11-03 19:51
i have heard about the backun alph but it is quite expensive and is out of my budget range :(
i thought buffet is a renowned clarinet manufacturer and is better than yamaha's clarinet(?)
for a wood clarinet, i think i would get an r13 later when i get to grade 8
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-11-03 20:15
What I read was "the B12 incorporates SOME of the features of the R13," and by that they mean numbers of holes and keys.
I second the opinion that the B12 is a worthless hunk of plastic. The internal pitch is so bad as to be impossible to use in an ensemble setting at any level in my opinion.
Look at the student line Yamahas or the Vito clarinets if you are a student on a budget. Just because the name of a reputable company goes on a student clarinet, it doesn't mean it will play worth a darn (I believe Buffet doesn't worry about losing the top players to this sloppiness because none of those players would even bother with a B12. I tried one out about eight years ago and I'm still trying to get the stench of that sound out of my ears).
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: TomS
Date: 2014-11-03 20:41
Ditto the Yamahas ... YCL255 or YCL450 or the Ridenour Lyrique instruments.
A guy in one of the Community Bands I play in is replacing his 40 year-old Buffet Evette with a Yamaha YCL650 ... more compact sound and better in tune. His old clarinet is just truly worn out with the grain washed out of the tone holes, etc. ... but amazingly, no wood cracks!
Tom
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-11-04 03:02
If I were starting a student off from scratch, the Buffet B12 would not even be on the list of possible choices. There are many better instruments out there for the same money or less. Buffets new intermediate and pro instruments are well worthy of consideration, but not the B12.
Tony F.
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