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Author: Mike
Date: 2001-04-18 15:00
Does the R-13 Greenline sound or play any better or worse than a basic R-13 wooden clarinet?
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Author: Bill
Date: 2001-04-18 17:14
They are both nice, but different in sound and feel. The Greenlines I tried felt heavier, and were not as vibrant as the wooden R-13s that I tried. I think it's worth trying them both, because individual preferences vary.
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Author: joseph o'kelly
Date: 2001-04-18 17:38
Now that I think back I can remember trying one out once. I remembered it being free blowing but it might have been because I had tried it out in-between playing some stuffy, uncooperative R-13s. I have heard they sound brighter than their wood counterparts.
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2001-04-18 18:12
This has been an ongoing debate on this BB.
I own a RC Prestige Greenline and am very happy with it.
However, some very recent posts really favor the wooden R13 to the greeline one.
I am afraid that we won't be able to really help you here.
The Greenline is being used by professional musician and very reknown ones:
Alain Damiens, Romain Guyot, David Campbell, Robert Spring...
Try both and pick the one you prefer.
-Sylvain
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-04-18 19:51
Mike -
There have been extensive discussions of the Greenline on both this bulletin board and the Klarinet list. Click on Search at the top of this message and look for Greenline. Click on Home at the top of this message and then on Search the Klarinet Archives, also for Greenline.
What you will find is that while some people discern a difference between Greenline and wood Buffets, most people do not. My own experience is that there is more variation between samples of a single type than there is between the two types.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: David Kinder
Date: 2001-04-18 20:03
I'd like to ask sylvian about her Prestige R-13 greenline:
What is the wood made out of? Is it "Prestige" sawdust? I'm not trying to make fun, but I'm wondering what you feel the difference is between a standard R-13 greenline and a Prestige (besides the eb/ab lever).
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2001-04-18 20:37
Before I go on, Sylvain is a masculin name ;->
Anyways, I don't have a definite answer to your question just speculations.
The body of a greenline is fine particles of wood "glued" together at high temp/pressure to obtain the same properties as grenilla wood.
I doubt that buffet uses different dusts for prestige and regular instruments, but you can try emailing buffetcrampon@boosey.com for more info.
However with a prestige you get better quality keywork, undercut tone holes for better sound and intonation and usually a better quality instrument.
But really, you should try quite a few instruments.
Ken is very right, there is a high variation across instrument of the same model.
Also Buffet is not the only clarinet manufacturer, Leblanc, Selmer and Yamaha make fine horns too...
I was lucky enough to get one the first greenlines so Buffet put extra care in manufacturing it, but really do not go for one or the other without trying.
Also, if you take good care of your intrument it will not crack, so that should not be too much of a factor in your final purchase decision.
Hope this helps,
-Sylvain
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Author: David Kinder
Date: 2001-04-18 22:19
Thanks, Sylvain. I appreciate the info. I'll email boosey and see what they say the difference is and post their response on this board.
(BTW, I almost typed sylvia! I'm glad I didn't do that!:))
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-04-18 23:57
Sylvain wrote:
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> The body of a greenline is fine particles of wood "glued"
> together at high temp/pressure to obtain the same properties as
> grenilla wood.
No way will it have the same properties as grenadilla wood. For starters, once you grind the wood and coat it with epoxy and press it, etc. the material will have totally different structural properties. It's strength will be the same in all directions. On the other hand, wood, no matter what kind is several times stronger across the grain than in parallel with the grain. Real wood is also irregular in grain with stong and weak spots. The surface texture will also be quite different due to the epoxy coating the sawdust and the fact that the wood is ground up.
The weight is also different. In the case of the Greenline, it happens to be slightly heavier than the wooden version as I recall reading. But if they wished the makers could play with the density of the material to come up with something lighter.
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2001-04-19 00:05
Alright, I guess I should have said same acoustical properties, but then again many people on this board will disagree with me...
So go a head and try it, if you don't like it, buy a wooden one!
But because one does not like it, does not mean it's a bad instrument.
That's all I'm trying to say...
-S
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Author: beecee
Date: 2001-04-19 19:16
I have an R-13 Greenline and am extreamly happy with it. Prior to buying this I had it checked out by my instructor, a prof. on the clarinet, who was amazed by it. In tune all the way up the scale. I think it is easier to make these in tune since they do not expand or contract as much as wood does. We could not tell any difference with the standard wood R-13s, except it being in tune. Since sound waves are simply bouncing off a high-polished surface, I think it would be hard pressed to detect a difference.
A bit heaver- yes, but it is stronger and will not crack on you.
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